On Sat, 14 May 2016 10:57:06 -0500, burfordTjustice
The auto makers do their own testing. From the article:
"All automakers do their own testing for mileage under EPA guidelines and
to the agency, which does spot checks to verify the figures. In 2012, the
agency found that
Hyundai and Kia had overstated mileage on 13 models from 2011 through 2013
that totaled about
1.2 million vehicles. Mileage on one vehicle was overstated by six mpg."
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:26:19 -0500, burfordTjustice
It looks like it's done in a lab according to this:
The first paragraph says:
"Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a
laboratory using a standardized test procedure specified by
federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles—usually
pre-production prototypes—and report the results to EPA. EPA
reviews the results and confirms about 10%–15% of them through
their own tests at the National Vehicles and Fuel Emissions
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Amusing in that AFAICT, most folks get BETTER mileage than
the data published for their vehicles. E.g., our vehicle is
("up to") 20/29 yet we've consistently averaged better than
the "20" in town -- despite the fact that the car claims
our average speed to be about 19MPH (over the last 10 months).
My trip to the local library this morning clocked in at 29.7
(no "highway" driving involved)
We've not yet had the car "on the highway" so no idea what it
will do with the chance to "cruise" (instead of the stop-n-go
that we experience in town). Hard to come up with anyplace
we'd want to *go* that would require any sort of serious
driving! :< Might be fun to actually play with some of
its toys while not having to watch for the stop sign at
the next corner...
Well, once "out of town", that's the way it would be, here
(as you know).
Unfortunately, *getting* out of town is a major challenge from
our location (I10 goes south and west of town; we're north and east).
So, the better part of an hour to get *on* the interstate (if
headed to feenigs)
OTOH, you can do 45 on many of the roads in town -- just not for
very FAR (before encountering yet-another-traffic-signal). A bit
over 4000 miles on the car -- at an average speed of 18 MPH (I think).
We have different lifestyles. Last week I took my wife out to dinner
for our anniversary. I chose the restaurant. Three days, nearly two
tanks of gas and 745 miles.
Next month we are joining friends for their anniversary. Three days, at
least 450 miles.
Neither of us enjoy time traveling; nothing gets done beyond
changing your position on the globe -- "We'll wait for it to come
out on DVD..."
A "special dinner" is *me* spending the day to prepare one of her
favorites -- along with suitable desserts. If she could buy it in
a restaurant (or bakery), it wouldn't be special -- it would just
be "yet another credit card charge".
The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc.
Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes
on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. OTOH, making
something special *for* them (cheesecake, ice cream, coffee cake,
biscotti, lasagna, electronic doorbell, etc.) represents an investment
Unfortunately, a special dinner for *me* ALSO requires *me* to prepare
We enjoy travel. Meeting people, seeing things, experiencing local
customers, especially in foreign countries.
I often do the same, but again, it is the dining experience we enjoy.
We went to the Culinary Institute for our 50th.
This is just one of the restaurants they have
others can be seen here
I traveled A LOT when I was younger (work, leisure, etc.). Now, I would
welcome a "transporter" (star trek). We engage lots of different people
due to our "social" schedules, groups with which we are involved, etc.
Not the sort of people that *I* would seek out (being far more
"technical" by nature) but often interesting, nonetheless. Thankfully,
I'm a "quick study" so I can usually dive into a discussion of some
brand new topic/field in short order. IME, people much prefer having
YOU ask them about stuff than the other way around...
If the 'experience' is waiting for someone to take your order, bring your
drinks, bring you a clean piece of silverware, etc., I'm not keen on it! :>
Growing up, "hospitality" was usually indicated by how willing you were
to give folks access to your refrigerator. I.e., "Help yourself".
(It was always forbidden to access someone *else's* refrigerator without
their consent -- you waited for them to GET you what you wanted).
So, when we have folks over, everyone gravitates towards the kitchen
almost magically. As if they lived here.
Many of the things that I make can't be found in stores. Or, are
of much higher quality/intensity. E.g., I'll make cavatelli (a
sort of "dense shell" macaroni) from scratch -- the *day* they
will be served. Or, a batch of ice cream ripened just enough
to be firm without being *frozen* -- in time for dessert. Or,
a unique clock/timepiece. etc. So, it's not like a homemade
version of something you could have bought at a local store.
(E.g., my butter pecan ice cream has 1/4 pound of butter in
a 2 pint batch: "Wow! This is really buttery!")
At times, it is distressing if the host/hostess *hides* what
I've brought (so THEY could have it for themselves -- after
the guests have left!). But, I've learned not to fret over this
as I *gave* it to them and have no right to decide how *they*
OTOH, it can be embarassing when a guest makes a point of asking
me what I brought -- knowing it would be something good. Then
starts *looking* for it. Esp if they ask the host/hostess about it
("Oh, we didn't put it out; there's so much OTHER stuff here...")
<shrug> Not my problem.
What's annoying is the stranger who will inevitably ask you to
make some for them: "I'll pay you..." (do you really think
I want to do this for a living??)
On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 7:56:36 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Not only do I enjoy all of those things, I enjoy the driving also. I seem to have passed that
gene onto one of my daughters. We're trying to talk her out of driving 5 hours each way to
attend her sister's graduation next weekend. 10 hours of driving for a 1.5 hour ceremony
and a meal. That's all she'll really have time for.
Her response to me was "If it's about putting the milage on the car, I agree. If it's about
me driving 10 hours, you know that's not an issue."
I guess I raised her right. ;-)
When I was younger, I used to like "driving". Not "sightseeing"
but driving. E.g., climb in the car on one coast, climb out on
the next coast -- with nothing but stops for gas along the way.
(e.g., the colorado<->boston trips were 40 hours, start to finish)
Now, I don't have the patience to deal with all the other bozos
on the roads, the uncertainties of traffic, construction, etc.
"Are we there, yet?"
On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 5:09:15 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
Well, it's not 12K a month, but my daughter had to do an internship for her Master's degree this
past semester. 100 mile round trip, 4 days a week. Toss in a few weekend trips to visit friends
at her undergrad school, trips home for the holidays, etc. and I think she's driven over 30K
in the past year.
The (not so) funny part of this is that she's driving her mom's 2005 Taurus wagon. (I kid her
that she's "the coolest kid on campus" but she loves that car.) Anyway, before we gave her the car we never used it for long trips. We always took my newer vehicle or rented a car if Mom
was traveling on her own. Now my daughter has driven that beast all over New England
for the past year and a half. She had it inspected at a trusted indy shop before heading off to
spend the summer working in Vermont and the owner said not to worry: "It's old, but it's in
great shape. I'd let my daughter drive it if it was hers."
I can understand that. For us, the first 100 miles can be boring
because we've gone most routes out of town frequently. Given the time
we try to avoid the highways as they can be boring.
The pat weekend I knew the route from Hyde Park NY to Lake George and
the to Waterbury VT. For a change I used the NAV and set it to avoid
freeways and toll roads. Took us much longer but we saw a lot more.
Took us on roads I never would have guessed at.
One of the things I miss about back east are the alternative routes,
even for a short drive. In much of the west, you take the interstate,
end of story. There are frontage roads along I90 that I take for variety
but you're just paralleling I90 and they are seldom more than ten miles
before you have to get back on the big road.
And, they're (west) just straight slogs!
I remember the first time I drove cross country. Got to kansas: "OK, this
is interesting" (I was being generous... flat is anything BUT interesting!)
After 30 minutes of that, I was ready for "the next state".
I joked that I didn't dare pull off the road for fear that I'd get
back on, headed in the wrong direction, and not realize it until I saw
the CO or MO state line!
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