We can't even charge a cell phone in 5 minutes. Apple was the biggest joke, shipping a 5W charger with their $1000 phones when other manufacturers were shipping 15W ones with $150 phones. Oneplus was the leader in this, I think they are up to 65W now, 100W coming. I just bought an LG Velvet 5G, it supports 25W. I agree, I doubt 5 mins is realistic to charge a car any time soon. And a charging cable is the trivial part, that technology has been around for 100 years.
Pete should stick to his real expertise. How to take a high govt position and then go on adopted baby leave in the middle of a transportation crisis. I had no real opinion of him prior to this, now he's added to my crap list forever. i wouldn't do that to any employer I ever had, let alone to a high position of honor in service of the country.
Shell is putting them in so they figure people will hang out. So is 7-11 stores. Shell is putting in 500,000 stations.
Ah, that sort of commuter parking lot. We have 'em next to some freeway exits. People drive in from whatever godforsaken place they can afford housing, park, and take the bus downtown. Given that there's bugger-all train service in southeast Michigan.
It still would use up that charging station for the entire day.
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Why do you think that is true? Perhaps an urban dweller has a short commute but around DC 35-40 mile one way commutes were not rare when I was there. Chesapeake Beach and Frederick (Va or Md) were not unusual. That also includes a lot of just sitting there inching forward (heat or AC going) once you get inside the beltway. The last time I was there traffic was backed up pretty far from the beltway. That was the main reason I worked 3d shift for 11 years before I ditched the whole mess and moved here.
10 miles to work, no lights, no bridges when I got here. If I didn't drive all day, an EV would have worked for me but I was still driving 100 or more miles most days at Florida speed. (60-80)
Living in NC there are no super large cities. I had to pick my son up at college about 100 miles away almost all but 10 miles or so was interstate. Often we would just go and pick him up and be back home about 5 in the evening. One holiday there were several traffic jams on the interstate. Instead of 5 in the afternoon it was slightly after
12:00 midnight. Just what do people do like that in an electric car ? We did not need to get gas as I always started with a full tank of gas. While the electric car may not need any power for motion, if winter or summer I doubt there is much reserve for that kind of traffic.
I've often wondered about that also - what effect does the car's heating and A/C have on range ? It must be considerable in both hot July-Aug / frigid Jan-Feb freeway traffic jams .. John T.
I think that because I've seen it every day. The commute to the parking lot was usually less than 10 miles often less than 5. Then they take the train or the carpool van and the car would sit nine to ten hours.
There are commuter lots along most exits of 395 and 95 in CT as well as the train stations for people that take people to NYC every day. If used only for commuting, most of those cars could go two weeks without a charge. Poor turnover for the chargers. Maybe a high school kid could plug in a different car every two hours.
Not as bad as I thought. 34 miles.
Give it 5 to 10 years. Cars as we know them have been around over 100 years and are still very inefficient.
If it is level 1 charging it would take all day to get enough juice to get home. That would make the infrastructure easier tho.
You have to figure the AC at around a ton and a half and that is about
2 KW when it is running based on what a home system uses. The fan will run all the time and the compressor will cycle. Around here the compressor usually never stops on a hot day in traffic. It is an interesting question tho. They could live with a smaller A/C if you could stand it taking longer to cool off a hot car.
If they didn't need a charge, park in a regular spot. Charge some nominal fee for the charger spot so people wouldn't park there if they didn't need it.
Sure but there is always the guy that will be down to 90% and will plug in three days a week.
I don't think that's Ed point.
If I need a charge, I'll park in a charge spot and plug in. My car will be charged in a couple? few? whatever hours.
Meanwhile, I take the train to work, put in a 10 hour day, go out for a drink, meet the mistress at a hotel and then take the train back to the lot.
I took up the spot for way more time than my EV needed too. Thus Ed's comment: "Maybe a high school kid could plug in a different car every two hours."
I parked next to a Tesla a couple weeks ago. Getting out, first thing I noticed was a big dog in the back seat with the windows up. Next thing I noticed was that the big LCD panel in the front was on. It had a message:
"Don't worry. My driver is away for a few minutes. The climate is controlled, 72F. "
I think it had a picture of the dog too. This time of year it wasn't that hot, not sure what I think about that idea if it's summer and 85F. I'd be a bit worried that the system could still fail somehow.
That could be a good option, have someone rotate the cars around. It comes down to the cost of a charger near each spot in a lot versus the labor cost to move them.
The best solution I've heard is if the EV manufacturers could standardize on a pop-in/pop-out battery module. You'd go to a recharge station and pay to exchange a fully charged battery for your depleted one. In other words, you never really own the battery you're driving with. If well engineered, the exchange shouldn't take longer than it normally takes to fill an empty gas tank and pay. Your returned battery would be measured for remaining charge and your credit for your returned battery would be pro-rated to the amount of charge remaining. Unfortunately, I have no expectation that all the various manufacturers could ever agree on something that sensible.
The battery pack for the Tesla 3 weighs half a ton (1060 pounds).
Not quite pop-in/pop-out.
The battery exchange is a good idea, but not practical to do.
One almost has to be a 2 or more car family. A gas one to go long distances,and if wanted the electric for the short drives.
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