OT. Computer controlled

Thanks for pointing out the very obvious example. Millions of mechanics are out of work and that computer doing all the work is a FRU, Unplug the old one and plug in a new one. The same is largely true of all of those computer controlled parts. If it wasn't for fluid changes, most car hoods seldom get opened.

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gfretwell
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If they REALLY matter there are redundant computers 1000s of miles apart and every component is a hot swap redundant assembly. These days when you hear about a massive computer outage, it is far more likely to be software than hardware related. Software is the weak link.

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gfretwell

I didn’t ignore it.

Impossible to answer until you say what you mean by good.

Do you mean interesting, jobs where you get to do things the way you want as long as it gets the job done, jobs where you can skive off instead of actually doing something useful, jobs where you make a useful contribution to society like say helping people to find the new house they want etc, or what >

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Rod Speed

dpb snipped-for-privacy@none.net wrote

Clearly not the case with smartphones for starters although iphones come pretty close in the sense that if you have the automatic backup enabled its very easy to swap to a new one if say it dies, gets stolen or just lost.

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Rod Speed

And it's not that easy to write software as most people think. Web programming is easy. Mission- and safety-critical software requires a lot more skill.

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton

Inspection of houses.

Impossible, actually.

There are plenty of similarly impossible to replace with a machine jobs.

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Rod Speed

Cars and trucks have always had FRUs. The difference is that now quite a bit of the time the computer tells you which sensor has failed etc so even you can just replace it.

What I said in a lot more words.

And that has produced a significant improvement in the quality of life.

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Rod Speed

And wont be automated any time soon and clearly it’s a good well paid job.

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Rod Speed

Let's see some actual stats on that. I'll bet there are far more auto mechanics right now than ever before. Here there are endless dealerships years lots of mechanics. And today the dealerships are full of service advisers, pulling in good bucks too. Those jobs didn't exist decades ago. And as cars have grown more complex, more accessories, there are more things that need fixing.

Unplug the old one and plug in a new one.

That's definitely not true either. People are keeping cars longer. All the auto parts stores would be out of business if it was true.

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trader_4

You're the one who described there being all these good, high-paying jobs, not I. I'll take whatever you're offering for examples under consideration.

Only that since we're talking of displacing millions of factory workers or the ilk, there's going to have to be a lot of 'em to make any significant difference.

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dpb

I dunno about that...the dealership shops here are almost vacant any more...the one (GM) I trade at completely closed the truck shop in a farm and oil patch community and rolled it into the car shop. AFAICT there are only two actual mechanics left where there used to be at least

6 in car shop plus the four truck guys when was a kid at the same dealership. And, there are now at least four fewer dealerships in town since then while the town has about doubled in population.

When am in them, the MOPAR and FOMOCO shops look to be in about the same shape...and, there's still roughly the same 3-4 independent shops were then--altho they are generally quite busy.

A fair amount of it may simply be the name-brand shop rates have just escalated to the point of finally driving observable numbers away to the point have had to cut back. One would think they could figure out that more hours a a somewhat lower rate would probably mean more gross and net revenue but doesn't seem to work that way.

I've no idea how much is owing to all the increased regulation--certainly all the crap the Deere dealership has to go through that I'm aware of on fluid recapture, spills, etc., etc., etc., is a pretty big overhead expense. I'm sure it's no better for the automotive shops.

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dpb

If your phone was really that important you would have 2 and keep your data backed up in the cloud. That is trivial. I still don't think of phones being the "Computer" tho. The cloud is the computer. The phone is just I/O.

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gfretwell

Yes Ma'am. As I said that is the single point failure exposure in a mission critical operation. Unfortunately in the grand scale of things, the number of top level system programmers is pretty small and there is a lot of competition from offshore operations or H1B visa holders who will work for half of what you make.

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gfretwell

Maybe "plenty" but in a country with 200,000,000 job potential seekers, not nearly enough.

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gfretwell

For everyone except those people with mom and pop garages or people who thought there was a lot of opportunity in the auto mechanic trade. When I grew up there was a mechanic or two in every gas station. Now gas stations are just a place to get gas, beer and cigarettes. There are virtually no independent garages anymore and you usually end up in a dealer shop or the very rare speed shop. Manufacturers are doing all they can to make the dealer shop the only option. The real computer to work on these cars (not just a code scanner) will be running proprietary software and you need a different version for each manufacturer. It makes that mom and pop shop work with one hand behind their back or they need thousands of dollars worth of test equipment that may need to be upgraded every year. Outboard motors are even worse in that regard.

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gfretwell

Clearly wrong. There used to be a mechanic or two in every gas station and they stayed busy.

Auto parts stores make more money selling accessories than actual parts. Just the fact they sell so much directly to the consumer points out it is worse for the mechanic. It is still true that these cars will go tens of thousands of miles with nothing but oil changes. You don't have that 10,000 mile tune up, tires every 15,000 miles and a brake job at 20,000. I have had my 97 Honda since 2002 and I haven't done shit to it. I just put gas in it and go.

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gfretwell

And within the capabilities of the Average American Worker

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Clare Snyder

They are even automating the "order desk" at your local McDonalds or coffee shop - as well as the checkout at WalMart

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Clare Snyder

I remember changing spark plugs and points about every 10 to 20 thousand miles. Now the plugs go 100,000 and there are no points. OUtside of the oil change which is about double now or more what it used to be, most cars do not need anything for 25 to 50 thousnd miles or even more.

If anything does go wrong, you may be lucky to find a mehcanic that can repair the problem. I had a 1991 Toyota that at 120,000 miles started running ruff. After changing the simple things like plugs, wires and filters I took it to the dealership. Took them 3 weeks to find out a sensor was bad. The Autozone trouble shooting guide told of that sensor, but as it ws about $ 500 I took it to a place where I THOUGHT I could get a professional opinion. Turned out all they had was a parts changer.

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Ralph Mowery

You've just lost that bet.

Bullshit.

Bullshit.

=In fact modern cars hardly ever need fixing. Mine went 13 years with nothing need to be fixed and no warranty claims at all.

Corse it is.

Because they don’t need fixing, f****it.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.

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Rod Speed

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