The same way we have since the horse and buggy were made obsolete, obviously.
Nonsense. Those computers are in all kinds of complex systems that require advanced maintenance skills. And there are orders of magnitude more of them now than in the 70s or 80s.
What is really irrelevant is you.
Are you as sure about that as you were about all this:
How can one dope be wrong on so many things?
The 737 MCAS doesn't rely on just one AOA sensor (It does)
The FAA would never approve that design (They did)
The data from the FDR on Lion Air has not been released (It was in Oct/Nov)
Boeing doesn't know what caused the Lion Air Crash
The 737 can't be trimmed mechanically (It can)
It's impossible to have a design where it's both electrical or mechanical trim (BS because all 737s and most other planes have both)
737 is a heavy (It's not even close)The Cessna 150 can't stall (It can, stall speeds are listed by Cessna)
Denies that it's common for FAA to put out directives soon after a crash, requiring inspection of what they believe caused the problem in all similar planes in service. (Of course it's common)
The AOA sensors were a known problem with the 737 Max and were already being replaced at the time of Lion Air crash (total lie)
The FAA didn't ground the 737 Max, Boeing did. (Trump announced the FAA grounding we have it on video)
Pilots are required by law to read the manual in an emergency, before taking action. (speaks for itself)
You have a 50" CRT TV (posted lame pic of a much smaller TV, no tape measure, no model, nothing to verify it
Electric pole transformers can glow orange hot, it's not uncommon (Still waiting for the pics of some of those)
Former leaders have no say in the details of their state funeral (beyond stupid)
The tax rate on capital gains was 93% after WWII (It was more like ~45% max and in the 50s was reduced to just 25%)
No one was buying US manufactured goods just after WWII. (ie the US didn't have a huge advantage as a manufacturing economy with much of the rest of the world destroyed following WWII. Obviously more total lies and stupidity)
Investment isn't for capital gain.
Then you wont have any difficulty listing all those countrys buying US manufactured goods just after the war had ended. (implying that the US wasn't exporting manufactured goods after WWII, as much of the rest of the world was in rubble and rebuilding)
Digital Equipment Stock DEC, was never sold for a capital gain.
The 911 terrorists didn't need flight training, anyone can fly a 767, just use a PC simulator to learn.
you don’t even know that there even was a doctor involved with Obama's birth certificate. (it's signed by Dr. David Sinclair)
No doctor signs the birth certificate, f****it.
Hardly any presidents have one term. (Ford, Carter, Bush 41,
3 of the last 7 were one term or less)President Trump invited himself to visit the UK
NYC still dumps all it's trash in the ocean
There isn't enough glass from recycling to use it for concrete
The Autobahn, a highway, is an example of socialism.
The financial crisis in 2008/09 was not caused by bad loans.
We have no idea how many companies Trump has (it's 500+ from his disclosure)
Trump has one company.
Ipe wood doesn't come from rainforests.
Obama didn't impose any restrictions on Bill Clinton's speaking engagements and fees.
There is always more than one wire going to the positive terminal of a car battery.
bin Laden wasn’t even in Afghanistan when the russians were there, you pig ignorant clown.
What a total moron!
That's been the thrust since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution.
"And did those feet in ancient time walk upon England's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen? And did the countenance divine shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here among these dark satanic mills?"
'Jerusalem' William Blake 1894
Nope.
Sure, but there are plenty of good, well paying jobs which can't be automated.
With manual labour type jobs. there are plenty of good, well paying jobs which can't be automated.
Your old job is one obvious example and your wife's.
dpb snipped-for-privacy@none.net wrote
Yep, plenty..
Obviously depends on how you define good. Some are stupid enough to claim that there arent any good jobs and that anything is better than working.
Yes, that's a point seemingly missed by most. All people need to do is think about how the industrial revolution changed manufacturing.
Those who fear technology are those unwilling or unable to adapt.
As someone who maintained those systems in the 60s, 70s and 80s I will tell you the skill level to maintain them was dumbed down so much we just started calling them 1 banana and 2 banana bugs. That was in the early 80s, by the 90s it really became "remove the part with the red light and replace it". This is mainframes with massive DASD arrays. Most of the stuff is highly redundant "hot swap" without actually crashing the system if you lose a part. The system calls home, the parts computer orders the part and the guy is sent by the dispatch computer to meet the part there. The customer may not even know he had a problem until the part and the guy shows up. That was 1996. Today I am sure it is even easier since the FRU may be the whole damned thing.
The difference the Luddites were complaining about machines that replaced muscle. Now the machines replace brains and using your brain is what used to bring in the big bucks. In the 21st century old work plumbers and electricians may have the best jobs. "New Work" is being dumbed down so much, those trades are on the decline too. Any moron with the right tool can string PEX around or pull Romex. The last job I was on had a gang of Mexican electricians and all but one only knew one or two tricks that could be taught in a day. It was like factory assembly line work. They did go damned fast tho and the work was as pretty as you would expect from anyone. If all you know how to do is string Romex and shove it in a box, you can get good at it quick, The guy nailing up boxes all day long can be damned good at that too. (straight, all the same height etc). One guy only made up boxes.
How did it change the quality of life for most people? Yes, I realize even the poor have gadgets people in the 18th century could only dream of, but I ask again how did it change the quality of life?
I do not fear technology and I have adapted from punching in FORTRAN programs to run on an System 360/30 that had less computing power than a coffee maker to the latest technology. This does not mean that I have seen technology as wholly beneficial. Hydrogen bombs are technology. Techne is not technik.
Ford's concept of the assembly line was to break the process into tasks that could be adequately learned in 15 minutes.
Sure but there are plenty of computers that matter that can't be done like that.
Still does and plenty of that work can't be automated most obviously with the best apps etc.
That's bullshit, most obviously with writing the best apps, doing inspections of houses and condos that someone is considering buying with the inspector having to pay for the stuff that he didn't notice was a problem etc etc etc.
Yes, but that's a tiny subset of good well paying jobs.
We cant automate sheering sheep, or even wiping little kids arses, changing their diapers, let alone the most complex surgery like heart bypasses, hip replacements, repairing people who have been f***ed over physically in an accident etc etc etc.
Sure, but that sort of work is a tiny subset of the best paying good jobs.
rbowman snipped-for-privacy@montana.com wrote
Its much easier now to work out why your car isnt performing as it should than it was in the 60s and there is no need to fart around tuning it up anymore, the computer does that for you.
Its not fear so much as observing that technology has made lots of jobs completely obsolete now.
Its much more complicated than that.
And boring as batshit.
You conveniently ignored the key Q? above, I note. What are these well-paying, good jobs that are so available in large numbers?
On 7/27/2019 12:19 AM, Rod Speed wrote: ...
If they _really_ matter, quite possible the whole computer is in redundant hot-swap configuration (or, it doesn't really matter that much after all).
Now that the unions, corrupt as they were, have been broken and it's all about shareholder value I don't expect improvement. Of course that was settled by Dodge v. Ford Motor Company:
It depends on which old job you are talking about. My IBM job is lost and gone forever. They don't need highly trained techs to fix computers these days, they pretty much fix themselves. You just need a guy to replace in the bad part and anyone can do that. I agree my inspector job is pretty hard to duplicate by a machine and my wife's builder job or HOA/country club manager job was too but none of them are really employing large quantities of people.
Exactly my point and what is happening in the more traditionally technical trades. The other thing is materials and methods are getting a lot simpler for the installer. If you look at an Arlington (electrical) catalog, they don't talk about the price of their product as much as the ease and speed of assembly. They are clearly selling to contractors who want less skilled people working much faster so you don't need as many of them and people who are easily replaceable by a cheaper person.
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