Getting electrocuted in bathtub - is it possible with plastic pipes? (2025 Update)

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAAAA65DHT1 @SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

involved,

No, f*****ad. No goal post moving. *I* *TOLD* *YOU* what happens, and YOU have been trying to get out of the corner you painted yourself into ever since.

Here it is:

The POWER SOURCE has a delivery capacity. That could be a coin battery, a bank of maxwells getting ready to feed 15kA, a charged cloud bank, or a nuclear power grid fed substation transformer secondary.

IN EVERY CASE, there is a max generated voltage.

In every case, that said voltage is ONLY capable of breaching a very specific gap distance.

In NO CASE does the delivery capacity matter in the creation of an arc.

In EVERY case, ONCE the arc has been initiated, ONLY the power generation device capacity will determine how long it will be sustained.

In EVERY case, once initiated and sustained, an arc can bridge a much larger gap than that which initiated the spark.

You were already told this when I spoke of numerous youtube videos showing the opinging of HV breaker swithches at sub stations.

You said "in order to initiate the spark". That is what the entire discussion has been about, dumbass. You have been mumbling about what happens after the arc begins. You are flawed, child.

I ALREADY KNOW ABOUT POWER and what current flows in shorted nodes. I ALREADY KNOW that an arc is a short. Did not need you accusing me of being dangerous or the other stupid petty mumbling you have been making since I told you that you got it wrong.

I stated that VOLTAGE is what is required to bridge a gap. THAT is a FACT.

YOU refuted that. THAT is a FACT. You do NOT now get to move the goal post and describe what I have been telling YOU about all along.

And you accused me of dancing. Nice try, boy.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAAAA65DHT1@SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

Please, you retarded f*ck. Eat an ounce or two over the next day or so. Then eat another ounce. Die from it, dumbfuck.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAB3FCBAHT1 @SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

No, child. Past the beginner level, we talk about C-W multipliers.

As far as I know, you deserve every insult I ever delivered your way.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAB3FCBAHT1 @SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

How many HV power supplies have you designed?

Like I said... wire boy.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAB3FCBAHT1 @SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

Oh and you are so clever and cultured.

HOAD, little boy. Go play with a live pole pig wired backwards to your Dryer outlet. Taste the 'current' with your tongue.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAB3FCBAHT1 @SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

I gotta listen to this stupid s*it from an indiana hoosier farm boy retard with an engine fuel as his chosen name?

I was in a lab and we did arc experiments up to 50kV, and you are pretty much full of s*it.

You should re-read your first post, because since you have tried moving the goal posts, I doubt you even still have a handle on what your original flawed argument was.

Yes, I do.

Oh, the basic physics you mentioned? :)

I'm not the one who ignorantly claimed 77kv was needed for a one inch open air jump and has been having to backtrack ever since...

No, you don't get to try for a pooh routine here. I'm not the one who's been playing games and acting like a billy badass behind a keyboard.

first post where I commented about your claim

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The moral, it's not just the voltage, it's the amperage too that decides how much distance the arc can travel at such and such voltage level.

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And of course, I'd forget to mention another variable. frequency. The lower the frequency, the longer the arc at xxx voltage. The higher the frequency, the shorter the arc at xxx voltage. You have to factor in ac or dc, voltage, current and frequency in order to determine how far it can jump an open air gap. Moisture is also another variable you have to consider if you're working around HV that has real current behind it - as that kind of HV arc over if you're in the way is much much more likely to kill you.

Along how much power the resulting arc is going to have. What's known as a 'hot spark' or 'hot arc' has some meat behind it, it's not something you want to come into contact with. Nasty shock or much much worse if you do. You can have a weak spark jump over an inch same as you can a hot one. A hot one though can pass through things you get in it's way; plastic, etc. And you won't interrupt it with a shot of compressed air. A weak one you can, with ease.

The arc I mentioned in all three examples above generate hot arcs ranging from a nasty shock (much worse than some BS 'taser') to closed casket funeral. All three are capable of starting fires with ease; which is why the video description clearly mentions not to try to use the circuit as is to make an electric fence. None of the three above examples are being fed by or generate anywhere near the 75kv you claimed was necessary. Two of the three aren't even getting 300 volts; but they are certainly putting out a hell of a lot more than that; just not 75kv worth. And I'm not even factoring in high humidity/moisture as an added bonus to make it easier for the arc.

Oh, and incidently, one generates atleast a kilovolt under the 3kv you claimed was necessary to jump a mm. That would be the microwave oven transformer. It typically generates no more than 2 to 2.5kv. It uses a voltage doubler to generate the 5kv dc necessary to run the magnetron; but the transformer itself isn't making 5kv. [g]

So anyways, your statement is flatout wrong. Sorry.

Your first f****ng reply:

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Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB0221B6FC6A3HT1 @t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

You are a goddamned retard. The number I gave is the accepted number from the scientific community.

I'll go with that over your layman ramblings any day.

You said nothing about amperage, current, frequency, ac or dc (yes, that makes a f****ng difference too!) all you claimed was that the number you gave is the accepted number from blah blah blah. Total, f****ng bullshit.

You went onto claim that I was wrong about the 5kv dc output the typical output of a MOT as well as the circuit tied into the MOT (the voltage doubler) that you incorrectly claimed was nothing more than a half wave rectifier, to feed the magnetron the DC it requires. The magnetron won't generate the radio waves that cook your f****ng food if you feed it 2kv, you're nowhere near the voltage level you need to be; hence the doubler circuit. That you, again, didn't know anything about.

A circuit that's well known that's still in use today in one way shape or form. HV supplies are supposedly your thing, but you didn't know about the Villard Doubler? How is that even f****ng remotely possible?

One of us is a bit of a bullshit usenet artist, no doubt. I'll leave it upto the readers to decide.

ROFL. right out of poohs playbook. Nice try.

Dude, a half wave rectifier is not a voltage doubler and an expert as you're trying to pass yourself off as should never, ever f****ng get the two confused. Especially when one is being used not only to boost HV, but to convert it in the process (AC to DC) to an even higher HV level. Your confusion of the HV side of a typical home user microwave oven was off by over 2kv! That's one of those stupid mistakes as in dead f***er, nice knowing you, Darwin award winner. Ie: you. Cocky, proud, waiting for your award. Just a matter of time before you'll get what you have coming to you. I'd like to be around to see it.

Oh, you were more specific than that. :) You stated that 77kv was needed, multiple times. You even provided a reference that you thought supported your claim. You also claimed, based on that reference? that it takes 3kv for each mm.

You are incorrect on both counts.

I certainly did refute it, included copies of what I wrote in this reply. You seem more than a bit confused on who told who to what, and when. Aren't MIDs nice things? They help to clear up confusion like this, so nicely.

I'm not trying to move a single thing. I questioned your claim of needing 77kv to jump a one inch open air gap. I provided irrefutable evidence of various types of HV sources arcing over an inch, but using far far less voltage than what you claimed, again, multiple times, 'basic physics' was necessary.

I even went into greater detail (that's included in this reply, too; above [g]) and you dismissed all of it. Now you're trying to backpeddle and claim YOU (not me) stated the other factors involved. I originally stated them, not you.

I did, rightfully so. You were writing s*it on more than one occasion. A microwave oven isn't using a half wave rectifier, and you don't need 77kv to jump a one inch open air gap. You're still writing s*it now, trying to rewrite who said what to who and when. It's not going to work, 'boy'

So you explain how you knew nothing about the Villard doubler circuit, how exactly?

Enough to know a Villard doubler circuit when I see one. :)

I'm hurt, no really. Future Darwin award winner.

I've never set foot in indiana, wasn't raised on a farm either. Oh, the farm comment.. did you figure out what I meant by not letting you wire a light fixture for a dog house now?

In case you still don't have a clue...

LEDs aren't so good with providing a bit of heat to keep things above freezing, but a 60watt incandescent does a good job of that. You make sure the fixture has a break proof 'enclosure' and it'll keep the doghouse a suitable temp for the outside critter in the wintertime in the climates that aren't forgiving.

So no, I wouldn't provide DC power to run an LED in the dog house. It wouldn't do the dog any good.

Must have been a tiny ass arc, eh? going by your claim that 77kv is needed to jump an inch of open air. /sarcasm.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03CB7C573DHT1 @hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

You blab on about bullshit.

The argument was what initiates an arc. I said it was voltage and ONLY voltage and you said something about amperage, and I called you on it.

EVER SINCE, you have been accusing me of being wrong about the dielectric strength of air, and you have been blathering on about your pole pig video. Then you called me dangerous.

Dumbfucks like you should be erased. You can't even keep track of your own flawed argument.

Paschen's law has been around for a long time, child. Much longer than you. It gets published in college reference manuals.

But I guess you never visited that link just after you asked me to prove my claim.

The way you spoke about lightining is why I thought of and think of you as a layman, and all the training videos in the world is not going to instruct *YOU* of what is happenning until *YOU* decide to learn the true physics. You can bitch on about what you know and what you have done and what videos you watched, but that in no way shape or form can heal your brain if you adopted the wrong thinking about the process of conductoion to start with.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@hT41KfD4S.AXvkLJvJmNJ4s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8 tZfIBcnITL5:

Show me where I "tried to backtrack ever since" you f****ng lying putz.

You are an idiot, diesel boy. Somebody should light you up, except you'd stink up the place... even more than you already do.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@hT41KfD4S.AXvkLJvJmNJ4s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8 tZfIBcnITL5:

YOU ARE INCORRECT, AND YOU LOSE!

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03CB7D56D68HT1 @hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

You really do not know how scientific laboratories and reference figures get generated.

You are a real, true idiot, wire boy.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news:XnsAB03CB7D56D68HT1 @hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

Again, IDIOT. ONCE an arc has been initiated, the nodes it is between can be moved apart a great deal before the arc stops.

You are beyond childish thinking that initiation can occur at those distances.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@hT41KfD4S.AXvkLJvJmNJ4s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8 tZfIBcnITL5:

It is a vague, barely discussed circuit that does not deliver power well. That is why C-W is all that the HV realm uses. It DOES deliver power.

Since the microwave cavity does not need the full wave recitfied version, the stagger stepped villard circuit is used.

And just so you know, it is not a true doubler. Another reason it never gets incorporated.

In a microwave, it gets used because it requires less parts than a full wave multiplier circuit. That is cheaper when we are talking about million piece production numbers. Sorry... you lose... again.

You are a f****ng joke.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@hT41KfD4S.AXvkLJvJmNJ4s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8 tZfIBcnITL5:

No, they do not, you f****ng idiot. Even an Easy Bake Oven uses more.

You dog should find a racoon to get rabies from, and then bite you after a cold winter night where you thought a 60W light bulb was gonna keep him warm.

You are an idiot. You even sully the moniker you chose. Diesel fuel has orders of magnitude higher integrity than you do.

Diesel snipped-for-privacy@haph.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@hT41KfD4S.AXvkLJvJmNJ4s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8 tZfIBcnITL5:

I never said anything about a DC power run, you f****ng idiot.