Pesticides, politics and oral favors

A little something for the kiddies, like trader4, who have their heads in the sand, or elsewhere.....

EPA Won't Restrict Toxic Herbicide Atrazine, Despite Health Threat White House documents obtained by NRDC reveal that industry influenced the decision. The EPA has decided not to limit one of the nation's most widely used weed-killers, a chemical that, according to several recent studies, threatens human health and the environment. The October 2003 decision -- which the EPA was required to make under a court-approved consent decree reached with NRDC in 2001 -- will allow Syngenta, the main manufacturer of atrazine, and other companies to continue to sell the chemical in the United States with no significant restrictions.

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Doug Kanter
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Oh, wow imagine that! The govt allowed industry to "play a role in shaping the EPA decision." I would have thought they would just take input from guys like Doug Kanter, after all, he's quite an expert. He's a real renaissance man who can tell everyone how to have a beautiful lawn without any chemicals, calls lawn care professionals thugs, and even has time to advocate poisoning neighbors pets and making bigotted remarks about the handicapped. Why should anyone doubt Doug? LOL

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trader4

Good, I"m glad the government has allowed the continued use of atrazine. Big Brother has taken too many pesticides off the shelf that were effective and left us with pesticides which are ineffective except with multiple applications instead of one or two around a home site. I wish they'd bring back Dursban; it was great for treating large areas of unwanted bugs with a single application..

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evolutionman 2004

Perhaps you could display a little more than ignorance of Usenet and check some of the postings from Kanter. Just an ounce of skill and you'd find he's being spoofed...PUTZ!

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Tom Jaszewski

Nice to see evolution is taking us back to Neanderthals....

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Tom Jaszewski

Actually, I *did* post the article. But, trader4 is young, and has missed 40 years worth of chemical industry antics. He doesn't understand how they operate. Not only that, but he doesn't understand how legislation (and legislators) are manipulated by the industries which are affected by potential new laws.

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Doug Kanter

"Perhaps you could display a little more than ignorance of Usenet and check some of the postings from Kanter. Just an ounce of skill and you'd find he's being spoofed...PUTZ! "

Now that Kanter has posted that he did in fact make the post, so who's the ignorant one now, Putz?

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trader4

Let's see who's thinking clearly today. Bless the assembled masses with your conclusions from the following:

If a chemical company says they used rats to test for safety, they consider the results valid.

If someone else uses rats, and finds the exact same chemical to be unsafe, the chemical company says "That's not valid because rats respond differently than humans".

This has been going on for 4 decades. What do you make of this riddle?

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Doug Kanter

Well we know for sure Kanter is. Looks ike he has company.

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G Henslee

I haven't read anything like an admission...care to repost with the complete header?

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Tom Jaszewski

Go hump a tree stump, Tom.

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Steveo

"I haven't read anything like an admission...care to repost with the complete header? "

Why don't you learn to use the internet like the rest of us, instead of expecting someone else to do it for you. Ever hear of Google? It's not hard to find if you look instead of shooting off your mouth.

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trader4

Some interesting things...

EPA sued for backroom deals with chemical production companies.

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"The herbicide atrazine, is one of the most common contaminants of ground and surface waters..." ... "Atrazine induces aromatase and results in elevated estrogens..." ... "...males produce ovaries, eggs and become vitellogenic..."
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that happens, what about going for a swim in the lake or being splashed by a passing car?

Wikipedia indicates that Ronald Reagan was urged by George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld to approve of the commercial production of a biochemical weapon known as "aspartame". The approval meant Ronald Reagan FIRED a staunch FDA opponent. Now the man that runs the FDA will approve putting cyanide into food if Bush OR Donald OR Conda OR Dick Cheney has a financial interest in the production of such foods...

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aspartame...

"Initial safety testing suggested that aspartame might cause brain tumors in rats;"

"In 1981, U.S. President Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld (a CEO of G.D. Searle & Company and friend of Bush) fired the old FDA Commissioner, and hired a new head of the FDA : Arthur Hull Hayes, a defense department contractor."

"One of the many hypotheses about the causes of Gulf war syndrome is that soldiers, after drinking gallons of soft drinks containing aspartame in the extreme heat, accumulated toxic doses of methanol, formaldehyde, diketopiperazine and formic acid from the breakdown of the sweetener into its component molecules."

"The Pentagon once listed aspartame in an inventory of prospective biochemical warfare weapons submitted to Congress."

Donald Rumsfeld was a CEO of G.D. Searle & Company, the manufacturer of "aspartame", at the time. /paraphrase>

Everyone KNOWS Ronald was the stooge for George Bush Sr and Donald Rumsfeld. All the real problems of the Ronald Reagan term resulted from George Bush Sr and Donald Rumsfeld.

George Jr is very much like his father with a bunch of stooges doing whatever he tells them to do. They KNOW they will be FIRED if they refuse to follow his orders. Biggest stooge in point, Condaleezza Rice... she ALWAYS smiles happily following Bush whereever he walks. SHE ALWAYS does everything George tells her. Every speech she provides is a well rehearsed speech provided and approved by the George Bush speech guppies.

I met one of the solders that returned from the first Gulf War. His mind was messed up, his wife blamed Bush, and I didn't know what to think about it. Both the husband and the wife initially thought that radioactive shells used in the initial Gulf War were to blame. The patent expired on "aspartame" since then. Donald Rumsfeld became a very rich man because he and George FIRED the only opponent to putting the chemical into food. George and Donald continue to HIDE the facts about "aspartame" problem and the Gulf War Syndrome. The soldier that I met, died a year after I met him, leaving behind a wife and children.

The United States Government run by George Bush, burns forests down because George says it's dry timber waiting for a fire to start and a fire started in 2000 in Oregon (deliberately set on fire) while George was making speaches about how forests are waiting to burn down. Coincidence?

-- Jim Carlock Please post replies to newsgroup.

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Jim Carlock

Clearly you have a political agenda. Why bring these wild conspiracy theories about aspartame and gulf war syndrome to the lawn/garden newsgroup? Perhaps cause it's the only place left that doesn't know you;'re a kook?

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trader4

Why do you have blind faith in chemical companies?

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Doug Kanter

No problems with Google here Chet boy...perhaps you should read and search before you spew...

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Tom Jaszewski

" No problems with Google here Chet boy...perhaps you should read and search before you spew... "

Apparently you do have a problem reading threads, otherwise you'd have seen this, before you called me a putz. And even now, instead of appologizing you pretend it never happened. So, I think it's quite obvious who's the real putz here.

Doug Kanter Jun 30, 8:38 am show options

Newsgroups: alt.home.lawn.garden, rec.gardens From: "Doug Kanter" - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:38:06 GMT Local: Thurs,Jun 30 2005 8:38 am Subject: Re: Pesticides, politics and oral favors Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse

Actually, I *did* post the article. But, trader4 is young, and has missed 40 years worth of chemical industry antics. He doesn't understand how they

operate. Not only that, but he doesn't understand how legislation (and legislators) are manipulated by the industries which are affected by potential new laws.

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trader4

OK Putz now the handicapped header and I will apologize....

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Tom Jaszewski

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:1120268832.447474.20260 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

tsk, tsk. But you think wild conspiracy theories about Iraq having WMDs is okay, don't you.

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Roger Swain

"Doug Kanter" posted:

Or the other situation, that Ronald Reagan fires the FDA coordinator, hires a new one on advise of his buddy Mister Aspartame (Donald Rumsfeld), and was a Defense Contractor that worked for Donald.

Arthur Hull Hayes FDA Commissioner hired in 1981 fired in 1983 for accepting corporate gifts in exchange of his approvals for drugs. went to work for G.D. Searle & Company, (as a medical advisor) (Donald Rumsfeld is CEO of this company)

The approval of drug by the FDA was based upon firing the FDA commissioner, and putting in a new commissioner that would approve the chemical known as aspartame. He based his approval upon reports presented by the company that manufactured aspartame, G.D. Searle & Company (of which Donald Rumsfeld was a CEO).

Boy it sures does swing in a very tight circle there. And the guy was FIRED for accepting gifts. He then went to work for Donald Rumsfeld again, as a "medical professional".

That's a VERY TIGHT circle there, where the people approving things are hired because they WILL APPROVE, and hired because they work FOR a company that needs approval.

-- Jim Carlock Please post replies to newsgroup.

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Jim Carlock

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