I disagree. In many areas, electric is expensive, and in our case not even available. Wood heat is very comfortable, and so is propane. Propane is very efficient (ventless). Wood is only a bit less with some burners
Ok, this discussion is way off the original track... BUT
Electric isn't expensive EVERYWHERE. Especially when you use it to operate a Heat Pump.
Wood heat isn't for MOST people as it's very labor intensive and requires time that some people don't have. Or a schedule to accommodate one either.
Then you want to talk about VENTLESS LP heaters....... WHAT A JOKE!!!!! Ever heard of Carbon Monoxide??
You do know CO kills RIGHT??
You do know, you don't use VENTLESS heaters as a primary source of heat, RIGHT?
So to make it plain and simple... you can take those VENTLESS heaters and... well, you get the point.
Kenny, you really need to expand your horizons. I can think of thousands of installations of ventless gas fired heaters used as the primary (and only) source of heating.
when you limit yourself to what you personally have seen or know first hand, you're severly limiting your horizons, especially if all you've experienced is residential applications. Sad.
Are we or are we not talking residential systems here?
wrong. the cord of wood was split inside the heated space.
factor in the btu's generated while splitting the wood.
heat source: calories burned.
when you make broad, general statements as above, perhaps you should qualify them.
As I said in an earlier post, MOST utilities burn nat gas to create electricity, fully acknowledging (but not saying) SOME utilities burn coal.
Like I was supposed to know it wasn't split.
You're crazy if you are using ventless propane as a heat source. For one anything interferes with it getting enough oxygen and you are dealing with carbon monoxide. Second propane is not refined to be lab pure. It contains any number of trace compounds that are ending up in your living space.
Ok, so you don't know much about propane heaters. I have a CO detector. It's never measured anythimg above 0 with two propane fridges, a propane cookstove, propane dryer, and propane water heater. The only time it squawked was when the kids fired up the gas genny in the attached garage (measured 95). Propane stoves do not give off CO.
Our primary heat is wood. It's a pleasure, not a chore, and it's very inexpensive. $450 / year.
You DID NOT just say a propane cookstove doesn't give off CO?????????????????????????
Isn't your water heater vented? Guess what... there's CO going out the flu!!
What brand and model CO Detector do you own? How much did you pay for it? Where did you purchase it?
A quality meter is $200 plus... and not sold in most large retail "chain" stores.
I know quite a bit about LP (Liquified Protroleum) Propane... R-290
Now I suggect that you go read up on the appliances in your home that you know nothing about.
You do realize that burning WOOD creates CO? Or did you assume it was vented to remove the smoke?
Gentlemen all gases can kill person it depend on concentration of that gas in the area you are in and when I said all I mean it all the worst are does that person can't smell are test I lived till I was 15 years old that we had only wood to heat are cook I also lived in bayou country of Louisiana for 7 years where we had open heating heaters power it by propane and I never hear from anyone dieing from CO however precautions must be taking there is the way to add oxygen to the rooms heaters are use for absorbing the CO I can't say which terminology you wish to use it does not make difference as long it comes out to same thing reduction of CO safe for personal living
Dido say that
We don't live in barns no more.
We also have indoor plumbing.
CO has many effects whether you realize it's happening to you or not.
If a propane burner is emitting CO, then it's not adjusted properly. Our gas company measured 13 ppm using the air-free method.
The CO emitted from a woodstove goes up the chimney, not into a house.
If a propane burner can burn so clean....... WHY ARE THEY VENTED?????????
And while we are on it... WHY ARE THEY NOT 100% EFFICIENT?????????
Get a clue man, you're DANGEROUS!!!!!
You're simply wrong on this. CO is a normal product of the combustion of any fossil fuel. The normal levels are quite low for equipment that's running properly.
Is your CO detector UL listed? If so, it CAN NOT display any notice of CO until it's at 70ppm for at least 4 hours. OSHA 8 hour weighted average is >
Around here we call them EOR End Of Row like in rowhouses
Not all propane appliances are vented. Cooking ranges, fireplaces, and others are designed that way. Spreading misinformation is dangerous, but then you seem to know more than the manufacturers. A non-vented propane fireplace is 100% efficient, since none of the heat goes up a chimney.
Yeah I forgot... EVERYONE keeps their units in tip top shape!
And if these PROPANE heaters are so well made, burn efficiently, don't give off deadly CO fumes... EVERYBODY would be going to them.
Guess what... that's not happening SHERLOCK!
Ever come across a furnace or boiler that pegs your CO meter? I have... now guess what would have happened if they were VENTLESS.
OH MY GAWD..... lets say your safe because your meter is UL approved!
You just showed your stupidity with this post.
Would you rather have a meter that sounds an alarm at 9 PPM or 70 PPM.
I think you have brain damage from inhaling to many Carbon Monoxide fumes!!!!!
VENTED?????????
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!
Just because they are UNVENTED, doesn't mean they don't produce CO.
And if they were 100% efficient... they wouldn't be creating CO... DIPSHIT.
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