Heat Pump with electric backup.
For many reasons... helps out during the defrost cycle and can be cheaper
than burning straight gas. Of coarse, one would do a manual J and a cost
analysis to find out. :-)
I think you're dillusional. It is a fact of life that most areas of
the country burn natural gas to produce electricity.
It is also a fact of life that electric utilities NEVER decrease the
price they charge for electricity, however natural gas prices DO
flucuate, depending upon supply & demand.
your 'cost analysis' is effective for one specific point in time.
tell us what your spread sheet cost analysis says about a cord of wood
(and the resulting btu's generated to split it into pieces small
enough to burn) :)
I can't speak to other areas of the country, but both gas and
electricity rates are reduced to residential customers. Of course,
electricity here is $0.15/kwh so a little discount doesn't really have
FWIW, Baltimore BGE produces most of its electricity using nuclear and coal
w/ a very very small amount produced using gas. Deregulated utilities such
as BGE make very big bucks producing electricity using NG because they base
all of their production costs on the highest cost i.e., NG. I'm moving more
of my investment portfolio into deregulated utilities - what a cash cow they
I disagree. In many areas, electric is expensive, and in our case not
even available. Wood heat is very comfortable, and so is propane.
Propane is very efficient (ventless). Wood is only a bit less with some
burners (http://woodboilers.com /)
Ok, this discussion is way off the original track... BUT
Electric isn't expensive EVERYWHERE. Especially when you use it to operate a
Wood heat isn't for MOST people as it's very labor intensive and requires
time that some people don't have. Or a schedule to accommodate one either.
Then you want to talk about VENTLESS LP heaters....... WHAT A JOKE!!!!!
Ever heard of Carbon Monoxide??
You do know CO kills RIGHT??
You do know, you don't use VENTLESS heaters as a primary source of heat,
So to make it plain and simple... you can take those VENTLESS heaters and...
well, you get the point.
Kenny, you really need to expand your horizons. I can think of
installations of ventless gas fired heaters used as the primary (and
only) source of heating.
when you limit yourself to what you personally have seen or know first
hand, you're severly limiting your horizons, especially if all you've
experienced is residential applications. Sad.
when you make broad, general statements as above, perhaps you should
As I said in an earlier post, MOST utilities burn nat gas to create
electricity, fully acknowledging (but not saying) SOME utilities burn
Ok, so you don't know much about propane heaters. I have a CO detector.
It's never measured anythimg above 0 with two propane fridges, a propane
cookstove, propane dryer, and propane water heater. The only time it
squawked was when the kids fired up the gas genny in the attached garage
(measured 95). Propane stoves do not give off CO.
Our primary heat is wood. It's a pleasure, not a chore, and it's very
inexpensive. $450 / year.
You DID NOT just say a propane cookstove doesn't give off
Isn't your water heater vented? Guess what... there's CO going out the flu!!
What brand and model CO Detector do you own?
How much did you pay for it? Where did you purchase it?
A quality meter is $200 plus... and not sold in most large retail "chain"
I know quite a bit about LP (Liquified Protroleum) Propane... R-290
Now I suggect that you go read up on the appliances in your home that you
know nothing about.
You do realize that burning WOOD creates CO?
Or did you assume it was vented to remove the smoke?
Gentlemen all gases can kill person it depend on concentration
of that gas in the area you are in and when I said all I mean it all
the worst are does that person can't smell are test
I lived till I was 15 years old that we had only wood to heat
are cook I also lived in bayou country of Louisiana for 7 years
where we had open heating heaters power it by propane
and I never hear from anyone dieing from CO however precautions
must be taking there is the way to add oxygen to the rooms
heaters are use for absorbing the CO I can't say which terminology
you wish to use it does not make difference as long it comes
out to same thing reduction of CO safe for personal living
Dido say that
If a propane burner can burn so clean....... WHY ARE THEY VENTED?????????
And while we are on it... WHY ARE THEY NOT 100% EFFICIENT?????????
Get a clue man, you're DANGEROUS!!!!!
Not all propane appliances are vented. Cooking ranges, fireplaces, and
others are designed that way. Spreading misinformation is dangerous, but
then you seem to know more than the manufacturers. A non-vented propane
fireplace is 100% efficient, since none of the heat goes up a chimney.
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