'benzalkonium chloride'
in ethanol and acetone. Although dissolution in water is slow, aqueous solutions are easier to
handle and are preferred. Solutions should be neutral to slightly alkaline, with colour ranging
from colourless to a pale yellow. Solutions foam profusely when shaken, have a bitter taste and a
faint almond-like odour which is only detectable in concentrated solutions.
Section 11 Additional Information Toxic, corrosive. Harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through skin. Material is extremely destructive to tissue of mucous membranes. Symptoms of exposure may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath headache, nausea and vomiting. Persons with preexisting conditions may be more susceptible. Target organ data: Over exposure may cause somnolence, hallucinations, convulsions or effect on seizure threshold, ataxia, ulceration or bleeding from small intestine, diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, pre-implantaion mortality (effects on fertility), fetal toxicity, fetal death. Persons with preexisting conditions may be more susceptible.
Why do we need to know this?
David
accusing Billy of presenting a fallacy. If so what is the fallacy and what is your reason for saying so?
David
SPAM
It looks like a spam post to me.
I think we got a consensus, unless "gunny" wants to come back and show us where we erred. I don't care if it is bactericidal and fungicidal, if I want something that is extremely destructive to my mucous membranes, with lingering after burn, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting, I can always drink some good ol' red-eye. It always worked before ;O)
Indeed it could, Mr. Hare-Scott, but there is no need to presume. billy attacked the man, then used information out of context to make the case that this was yet another evil chemical at work.
Two fallacies at minimum; the Ad Hominem and the Appeal to Emotion. My question to you, is your question relevant to anything? I.E. is it going to change anything you do? Research more? You going to fact check better?
As to whether the chemical in question is toxic or not, that is not the issue here. The issue is the use of fallacy agruments to portray it as toxic.
The fallacies used in this knee jerk, starts typically and predictably w/ billy leading off w/ his usual Ad Hominem attack; "Sniffing your samples again or are you just naturally stupid?" Very familiar opening for billy. Yet, this was a spammer for Pete's sake!!! How bizarre does one need to get in establishing the pecking order with a spammer trying to sell bulk product?
Throw in the Appeal to Emotion, perhaps the Appeal to Authority fallacy also (or Appeal to Misleading Authority may be more appropriate) billy gives a lot of cherry picked, fear mongering "citations" ; "CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS, MUTAGENIC EFFECTS, TERATOGENIC EFFECTS, and DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY" .
All very scary words AND he added MSDS links with voluminous amounts of more scary words, scientific ones even, so it must be true!
But did you actually read any of the links? better yet understand the theme of the person playing them? Or did ya just glance over them and think you know what you read? If you actually read the links you would have noticed the solution he referenced was 50% and 100% BAK. Never are these great % put into the context of application Mr. Hare-Scott.. These are just cut and pasted facts that are irrelevant to everyday life unless you are a warehouse or a shipper.
To quote billy's own follow-up link : "MSDS's are not meant for consumers."
This toxic poison in question is Generally Regarded as Safe (GRAS) by the FDA.
You did note the FDA reference showed a GRAS OTC application as .11-.13%, yes? So you're not going to use a BAK solution @ 50% or even 100%, when the dosage in most application is well below
occurance with your links.
Well good that you found out, just note that there is one for each product, Ok. You need to find the correct one though. In this case you gave the one that would disinfect the world. That once again is a bit overboard. But it is a good think you are still trying. That is all that is important.
also do note your link reenforces: "MSDS's are not meant for consumers." You need to be able to understand the data relevance. Apparently you didn't
Extraneous Political BS snipped
Gunner
is this another of your "follow me men, I'm right behind ya" ?
Sniffing your samples again or are you just naturally stupid, gunny?
"Also do note your link reenforces: "MSDS's are not meant for consumers.""
I knew you'd jump on that one, gunny. You really ought to get a life. If you had continued on, you would have been directed to products. but the presentation wasn't for a product, it was for 100% benzalkonium chloride.
The MSDS site that I gave
When faced with such incompetence in reporting either abusive behavior, or factual representation, I see no reason to treat you with respect.
It's SPAM and no doubt about it.
It is clearly intended to generate traffic for an OT site.
Well why not say so to start with rather than leave us with a shopping list of things to choose from.
My question was relevant to getting you to say what you mean which you have now done.
Yes he did use an ad hominem and yes he has done so previously. He also quoted relevant material.
So to summarise you are saying the concentration of use is a key issue regarding the degree of hazard and Billy didn't address that but substituted scare tactics. It's a fair point. It would have been simpler if you said so to start with.
And why so formal? Unless you feel the need to put some distance between us call me David.
David
:-)))))))
sure ya did billy, sure ya did.
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