The ice cream won't be ice nor cream after it's in contact with the
soon to be cold hot dog. Chips, my friend - make a nesting bed of
chips. I'd start with plain ol' potato, and test various varieties
and species. I'm thinking Ruffles would give a nice crunch, but
Fritos would also have a little bite.
Ketchup, or even catsup, on a dog is sacrilege and evil, so that's
gotta go, the mayo can stay. Have you ever had nice thin french fries
and dipped them in mayo? It's a euro thing, but damn is it good.
Maybe you could put fries around that dog and have the mayo in the
bottom. ...damn I'm hungry!
Good gawd - I'm having visions of a pickle barrel and Mr. Drucker. ;)
Worse, it's in the water and the air, Toronto (and Vancouver) are so
IQ's are dropping and intersex babies are sky-rocketing. We worked
hard to afford to move away from TO in the mid 80's, to Muskoka.
Unfortunately our kids are locked up in Van with little prospect of
able to get out.
Semen counts in urban areas are 1/2 what they were a few decades
I remember a time when you scoffed at me for saying such things.
Anyway, a culling will take place from multiple angles and the global
population will be reduced from 6bil to less than 2bil.
I'm observing an ecological experiment I started almost exactly 4
years ago and I am pleased.
I cleared some land and replaced the vegetation and soil with gravel.
Now it is a veritable forest with 12' high trees and completely
covered with vegetation 4' to 6' high.
In just 4 years.
This planet will do just fine once its virus has been eradicated.
2 bil is the tipping point, where humans start to deface the planet
faster than it can repair itself.
Most of what's been done is mainly superficial but the nuclear stuff
is long term I believe, at least according to the scientists.
I wouldn't doubt nature has a way to deal with that stuff too.
If you think about it, everything that's here now was here before,
it's just been mismanaged and moved around.
Can molecules be mismanaged?
I'm talking about the Transition Movement:
Did you ever mention that? If not, then why would I scoff at something
you never mentioned?
Seriously though, but, ya, sure, these days practically everyone's
prophesying (or whatever the word is), but how good is it? What's the
quality-- the what's, when's, how's, or why's, etc.-- when you zero
I did a lookup on any mention of permaculture on alt.architecture by
the way, and found a few references, none of which initially came from
you, which isn't to say that there's none or that you haven't been up
on stuff like it.
BTW, unsure if gravel was needed. Were you trying to make a parking-
lot at first?
Seems you once wrote, about population, that there's lot's of land/
room in the US. Although, maybe that was gruhn...
In any case, apparently, the global population has risen dramatically
due to oil, but since oil's a previous-sunlight-storage battery of
sorts, our population has been rising, quite literally, on *"borrowed
time"*-- out of a kind of proportion to the normal amount of *present*
sunlight, and is therefore out of whack with the Earth's carrying
capacity, if or as it relates to normal and current levels of sunlight
hitting it, rather than on previous sunlight, if I get this correctly.
Living creatures don't seem to normally extract fossil energy, or at
least as much as we have.
Pretty cool stuff.
You scoffed when I mentioned the REAL transition which is currently
Regarding that link, in the very first sentence they mention *groups*
and I'm strictly against that sort of thing.
A group has no brain.
Was in a discussion with someone the other day about the volume of
information thats out there now and how difficult it is to sort
through it to find, a) what you're looking for, or b) the truth, no
matter the topic.
That was my problem with the algore phenom as there was all sorts of
info defaming and undermining him.
Now, I just don't know.
And in the grander scheme of my life it doesn't even matter.
Regardless, I just sort thru the stuff and move on.
Don, we've been at this for the past 8 years or so... I'm changing,
you're changing (one would hope ;), the US is changing, the world's
changing, alt.architecture is changing/has changed...
I've already mentioned valuing your input and am more than happy to
give you credit where due (claiming to notice what my eyes are doing
when they are doing it doesn't count ;).
If you think so, let me know and I'll give you a bow and tip of the
I'll give credit where credit is due.
Yes, you seem to be changing and hopefully for the better.
Just a little piece of advice, be wary of all the *trendy* stuff that
comes down the pike and always think of yourself as an individual
Ex.: That thing you mentioned above - I started reading it and right
away it started talking about *we* this and that and the trail grew
I don't think on that level - I don't *we* anything.
You can go all the way back to the beginning and you'll never find an
instance of me not advocating that stance.
I think you need to unblock your we-we. I don't understand why you
have such a mental block about a word. Whether I use the word I or we
has no bearing on my sense of identity or self, and it is borderline
absurd that anyone else would think that it could.
You're married - you're an automatic we. If you don't believe me, ask
the other part of your we. If you can accept making one person part
of your we, you should have no problem with other people choosing to
expand their circle of acceptable we-ness to include more than another
It is apparent that you have never been exposed to a group that could
actually function, make group decisions, and remain close/friendly,
with no one clearly in charge. For one example, check out
To be fair to Don:
Of course, anyone can ape something that sounds good, even trendy, say
like possible impending US government collapse, or being "anti-we",
but of course synthesis, context and elaboration, etc., are what are
also important-- perhaps everything-- and suggest a deeper
understanding to boot.
A concept regarded in relative isolation seems only as good as
"garbage in, garbage out", where all the, as you write, 'volumes of
information', are all they are. They don't transcend the sum of their
And that's probably been my beef with and/or suspicion of Don's
approach over the years.
Don; a prophesy is not a prophecy after the fact, nor is it
necessarily your own.
'You' have to make it so.
I have no problem maintaining the duality of I and WE. I am always an
I and I am always a WE. Where's the problem with that?
I am not necessarily a WE of any particular WE, and I do differentiate
my WE from other WEs, but categorically rejecting any and all WEs is
Are you a member of the human race?
What country do you live in?
What planet do you live on?
You can't refute any of those WEs. Think of it this way - if you
reject all WEs, do you imagine you are the only one? Of course not.
There are plenty of people who share that particular WE. It's like
that old saw, no matter where you go, there you are. Oh damn...I just
realized - is that YOU singular or plural?! ;)
It's all about the huge expanse of grey between the black and the
There is no apparent problem with the limited scope of what you
You get to be any kind of we or anything else you want to be.
And so does everybody else.
But if someone started including you into their *we* concepts
arbitrarily I think you'd put a cease to it right away.
I am a we only when I say so.
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