It's in the UK, but still...
"You may think a large pool of water is a useful thing to have around in the
event of a fire. But officials at a block of flats have banned children from
playing in [wading] pools because they present a fire risk. "
Somebody in the US is going to read this and we're doomed.
This is dumb. Even if the trucks were to go on the grassy areas, I
don't see how a thin metal walled swimming pool would be much of a
concern for a Chief's vehicle let alone a big old pumper or ladder. Just
some bureaucrats deciding kids were having too much and being too loud.
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
it's worse than dumb. We have local councils stuffed full of these idiots
who are otherwise unemployable. Under the last regime local authorities and
central government recruited numbskulls to keep the unemployment figures
I've run many local charitable events for over 25 years. In the last 5 or
so, it has become almost impossible due to the scores of numpties you have
to get approval from. It came to a head this year with us threatening to
close/move the event and contacting various dignitaries and council
officers. They called a meeting at which there were millions of their staff
who actually smiled at the hoops were we asked to jump through.
Everyone of them in the room should have been sacked. They serve no useful
On the other hand...
A few years ago, a representative of a Chili Cook-Off competition complained
to the Houston City Council that the health inspector was hobbling them with
all sorts of rules.
Mayor: "Can you give us an example?"
Chili man: "Shore. They wants us to put up a TENT over the cooking area.
That's over a hundred tents!"
Mayor: "What about that, doctor?"
Health Department guy: "It's for sanitary reasons. Tents will help prevent
insects from falling into the food."
Chili man: "See! That's what they don't unnerstand. We PUT bugs in the
chili. Ain't nothing like some fire ants to add a little flavor!"
Health Department guy: "(??!!) I give up. Cook however you want. I just
don't care anymore."
Chili contests have been held for decades around the country. All the
cooking is done outside. Bugs just don't fall from the sky so a tent is not
going to help. May even be a fire hazard if a grill flares up. Millions of
Americans grill outside under the open sky. .
"... firefighters have branded the edict ridiculous and endorse the
common sense view that the pools would come in handy if a fire ever did
See the words "common sense"? That is not a phrase I am in the habit of
using in the same sentence as the term "HOA" -- unless the sentence also
includes a negative.
Newspapers in Florida this week were full of news of $850k legal fees
over a several-year battle about parking a truck in the driveway. The
homeowner (so far) prevailed. Must be a plush HOA to spend that kind of
Most property covenants state that the homeowner is responsible for all fines
and collection costs. Presumably if the HOA prevails the homeowner will be
required to reimburse the HOA. Doesn't work in reverse though...
Cost to the HOA is cost to the homeowners that the HOA has jurisdiction
A few posts back, KRW claimed that the HOA is still in place, although
I have yet to see a cite of the responsible (or irresponsible) members of
the HOA board in question surviving re-election.
I hope the HOA board members in question here get thrown out and land on
their kiesters on hard pavement. I hope the homeowners care enough to
replace the board members in question at soonest-available election time.
Or are the homeowners that have votes going to be like Philadelphian
voters often are - voting for experience over "not being part of the
problem", or not lift their rumps on election day and allow the problematic
incumbents to be re-elected by themselves, each other and their buddies?
- Don Klipstein ( email@example.com)
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 05:40:50 +0000 (UTC), firstname.lastname@example.org (Don Klipstein)
Correction: I exclaimed shock that they were still in place. That is, the
board stupidly spent upwards of $1M of their homeowners money, without said
homeowners so much as tar and feathering them, is shocking.
They were there long enough to spend $850K! That's the homeowner's fault.
One would hope so, but they were there long enough to spend $850K.
I believe the case in Florida was result of an appeal, and that doesn't
mean the judgement was correct. The truck was a ?Ford 350 something??
So, if the board allowed parking in the drive because a truck doesn't
fit the garage, it would have set a precedent. Sounded like a very
large org., several HOA's under a master HOA. Probably an expensive
community, so I can see the logic in the board fighting as far as they
Florida had many battles over flags until a statute was passed that
allows each unit to display the American (and a state or military
service flag?). Many of the more publicized battles are because some
people think they are more special than others....hubby in Iraq or
handicapped kid. Sorry, but I'm no more or less special than all the
other "special" cases. I sure don't ever want to live in a condo or HOA
again, but I'd be more comfortable with clear rules known in advance. I
would also want to review their records that pertain to violations and
how they are handled.
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:54:10 -0400, " email@example.com"
I really don't care about these details. Any HOA board that put that kind of
money at risk for a "truck in the driveway" should be taken out and tarred and
feathered, if not shot. Governments are bad enough, but this is stupid beyond
Fair enough. Such should be available on request. However, past performance
is no guaranty of...
It's very likely that bylaws disallow parking vehicles in driveways.
Okay, so this probably isn't a community of plumbers and electricians
parking their livelihood. So, community standards (meaning everyone who
spent a pile of dough to live there) are such that most store their
campers and boats elsewhere. Lots of neighborhoods don't allow parking
long-term in drives. If the board doesn't enforce the bylaws in this
guys case they might lose the next and then it's campers and boats up
and down the street, in yards, etc. They could also be sued for
discrimination if they don't enforce consistently. Board members can
also be held PERSONALLY responsible if they don't act in fiduciary
interest of property owners...so people start parking stuff all over,
property values drop and Joe Blow gets sued because he didn't enforce
the bylaws. No, thank you.
If there are a lot of violations actions on board meeting minutes, or if
the neighborhood doesn't match the standards in the bylaws it is a sign
of serious problems.
I remember an X-Files episode about HOA's...wish I had seen it before I
moved to a condo.....on X-Files, the HOA enforcer was a monster that
tunnelled underground and disposed of rules violators :o)
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