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On 7/18/2012 6:15 PM, Leon wrote:

Interesting fallacy...
I'm curious about how that "greener" vehicle (mostly plastic) was made without any environmental impact...
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We'll be mining asteroids for the mierals pretty soon, and all (ahem) pollution will occur outside Earth's atmosphere.
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Solar steel smelting in space. Super!
-- Win first, Fight later.
--martial principle of the Samurai
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OMG, polluting other worlds?! Shipping jobs to other planets?! The greenies and other Democrats aren't going to like that, at all!
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On 7/19/2012 6:41 AM, Han wrote:

Now we won't. We don't do space any more. It's too expensive. And besides, the environmental impact of building and launching spacecraft wasn't good for out planet (or so say the greens).
Bottom line is simply this... there is no technical solution to such a problem, other than reducing the population radically. Nobody is going to volunteer to do that. Certainly not Al Gore.
The "obvious" conclusions that people have come up with reflect serious framing errors (on both sides, I may add).
Comparing events of the last 10, 50, 100 years, when the patterns have run for hundreds of thousands (or millions?) of years is always going to be misleading.
This is not about science. It's purely politics.
For what it's worth...
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Richard wrote:

We still do space. But Obama has outsourced our transportation to the Russians.
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Congress has seen fit to strip NASA of the monies needed to make a replacement for the shuttle. Whether right or wrong, the slack should soon be taken up by private enterprise, it seems from my following of space faring. Because Congress didn't act, the Russians are doing an excellent job of filling the hiatus in US capabilities. Another advantage of the collaboration with the Russians is enhanced understanding of each other. We're not living in the cold war anymore!! (Which doen't mean we should abandon defense, just that we should adjust priorities).
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Han wrote:

Right.
Like I said, Obama has outsourced our transportation to the Russians.
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Like I said, NASA didn't have the money (long before Obama) to properly plan for a shuttle successor. Seems like a good solution to me to contract (together with a whole lot of other countries) with the Russians to arrange for transportation for astronauts of all nationalities to ride Russian rockets, which happen to be of excellent quality. Mishaps with freighters don't count, certainly in view of the 2 US shuttle losses with a whole bunch of people on board (I am concerned those were preventable). As far as I can tell, the "outsourcing" was totally arranged under Bush.
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:45:57 -0700, Larry Jaques
Now I get it. You only visit here to whine.
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Han wrote:

Right. Blame Bush. Still, the fact is, the transportation of our space station workers was outsourced under Obama.
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There is no blame to any President. Other than lack of leadership. But the boys at NASA are really grown-ups. If they really felt that it was absolutely necessary to have a US only capability, they would have fought for it much harder. Point is, the shuttle was an overreach, it was using unproven technology (not a bad thing, but in this case not such a good thing either), and there never was a civilian follow-up. Thus the shuttle was mainly just that, a ferry up and down to the International Space Station. Get it, for an international effort?!!
You mean that if I sign a contract for work to be done when I am not President anymore, I don't get any credit for the contract?
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George W. Bush issued a directive in January 2004 that shut down the shuttle effective 2010. Congress extended the program one year. Obama is working hard to get private industry to take up the slack. The SpaceX Dragon successfully docked with the ISS and delivered supplies on May 25, 2012. SpaceX is working hard to man rate the Dragon.
How's that for cognitive dissonance? Our favorite Socialist is moving a program from government to private industry.
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On 7/20/2012 4:15 PM, HeyBub wrote:

Actually, that was more likely Richard Nixon. He was the one who killed the Apollo program.
The Shuttle, while impressive LOOKING, was a giant leap backwards in performance.
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On 7/18/2012 8:44 PM, Richard wrote:

Me too, the greenies seem to think that because there is no pollution coming out of the tail pipe that there is no pollution.
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Dunno, most don't want nukes. They really don't want anything; back to the caves.
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On 7/19/2012 4:31 PM, Leon wrote:

Hook up a couple of horses - but no, they have "pollution" coming out of the "tail pipe" too.
And its not exactly invisible either.
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"Leon" wrote in message

So uh like, ummmm Han! ;~) You think CO2 is a bad thing and should be curbed as much as feasible but not enough to buy a greener vehicle???
The responsibility is every one else's ???
Maybe not bad enough or causing enough trouble that "you" should change... ;~) =======================================================================Learned that one from Al Gore.
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On 7/19/2012 11:07 PM, CW wrote:

See, here is another fellow that thinks new cars hatch from eggs...
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