As long as there are idiots with more dollars than sense who will keep
going to these games, player salaries will continue to rise. That
doesn't make it right, it just means there are a lot of damn stupid
people in the world.
True. All the more reason why there are no economic rights.
Even without a truly free economy (should we call it an "open
marketplace" instead?), hard work and initiative are rewarded and
laziness is not.
Nonsense. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes rewards go to the
slickest, those with the fastest knife for another's back. Appearing busy and
downtrodden with a work load is often better than actually doing a good job.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Sir Winston Churchill
That's not my experience. Besides, what's being overlooked here are two
essential ingredients for success besides hard work: smarts and
willingness to take risks. Unfortunately, less intelligent persons are
fairly severely penalized in life: they make bad choices, can't compete
in job performance (except in strictly manual jobs) with their more
gifted colleagues, etc. etc. Hard work is rarely enough to overcome the
handicap of stupidity, and a lot of people are stupid.
Those willing to take risks are likewise more likely to succeed than the
risk-averse. This is as true generally in life as it is true in
investing. Just the way it is.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:11:09 GMT, Rick Chamberlain
Why shouldn't there be economic rights as well? You can't dismiss
these arguments by labeling them as "communist." With all of the
government support for industry, can you really call this a "free
market" economy? Not hardly.
They may be satisfied, but they are poor. Should all of the poor be
satisfied and happy with their lot? Perhaps they can wait to recieve
their reward in the afterlife?
The AMA certainly does negotiate on behalf of their members. A doctor
can change insurance companies, but do you really think there is any
difference (or competition) between them? At least an electrician or
plumber can set a high price for a job, and turn down the work if they
don't like the pay. Doctors have to accept what the insurance carriers
offer, are prohibited from charging over certain amounts, and most
would be out of work if they suddenly had to charge all patients cash.
At least unions are more democratic than any business entity.
"The bottom line is that the autoworkers union has made its membership into
an expensive source of labor, so automakers are sending as many jobs as
possible to less unionized contract houses or Mexico. "
Unions are forcing work to be performed outside of the USA. Unless wages
remain competitive, this trend will continue. When the work leaves, what
will the blue collar workforce do then? Unions are greedy. I agree
everyone should get a decent pay and it should be competitive. I don't
agree a large union should be able to bully a company into paying uneducated
assemblers premium wages. I don't blame the companies for searching for
other labor sources as much as I hate seeing it leave the USA.
The times, they are a changing.
Never belonged to a union, never wanted to. I have negotiated with one or
two though. Some are greedy and don't give a damn about the worker, only
what they collect in dues and "health and welfare" benefits as part of the
package. I could tell you stories of the negotiations charade.
The smarter unions, however, see the writing on the wall and are doing
something about it. They are training worker to do a good job. Training
them to learn skills in construction and other trades. They are starting to
work WITH management knowing that they depends on this country being
competitive or both the company and the union will be history.
Their motivation may still be greed, but the survival instinct is kicking
I agree. It's not about extorting money and running a business into
the ground -- that obviously hurts the workers and the union. Neither
should employers fight unions to the death, preferring to hurt their
own operations simply to "win." There is a middle ground, where
everyone can prosper, but I believe that unions and workers have
increasingly been on the shorter end of the stick for a long while.
Kinda makes one wonder what motivates management....guess it's altruism,
sure couldn't be greed, apparently that's only a vice shared by the people
who do the actual work.
It's good to know that "management" doesn't suffer from greedy tendencies.
Those CEO's with their million dollar salary packages are really just
This is the race to the bottom, to see who can pay and treat their
people the worst, while getting the most for themselves. Have you ever
worked on an assembly line? It may not take a great deal of education,
but I'd wager that you could no more do that job, or empty trash, or
clean toilets -- day in and day out, for your whole life -- than your
assembly-line worker could teach a class, or clean teeth or set broken
limbs. Because they perform a service that you consider menial and
uneducated, does that mean they shouldn't be able to afford a home, or
send their children to good schools? Won't that just create a new
generation of menial workers? A rigid class society?
Life's tough. Communism has been tried by many countries. It doesn't work.
It's really naive to not understand this.
What's interesting to me is that I will likley see the majority of the world
become modernized. Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan, for example, are tapped
out for cheap labor. When you add the manufacturing infrastructure, the
whole economy takes off. Native Taiwan companies are leading the world in
computer componants. So much for tying them to an assy line. They learned
from our factories, then took the IP out the back door and made their own.
Now they eat our lunch. Companies are heading to China now. China, IMO,
won't be as easily subordinated. Africa next, South America? Curious how
it will end - a lack of natural resources, overpopulation, back to slavery,
etc..? Ever wonder why nobody cares about population control - except
China? The limits are all in place - interested in how we will adapt when
we hit them.
Absolutely not. While unionized workers make up only a small
percentage of the total, unions work hard to make sure only their own
members can get work. In California, for example, the plumber's union
has made it a requirement that all workers on a government or state
job must be paid union wages, whether or not they are in the union.
Union wages are 50% above the usual wage which certainly isn't cheap
to begin with (normally they make about $20 an hour, union wages are
$30 an hour and more). No wonder California is going bankrupt, these
ridiculous costs are passed along to the state which has to pay higher
costs for work that is no better than non-union work.
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