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Nope. Socialism is the opium of the upper classes.
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You may be right there.
MOST of the tradesmen I have come across - surely as wurking
clarrs as you can get, are somehat to the right of Ghenghis
Khan and Mussolini.
Roughly, Toryism is the refuge of the bourgeoisie, those that have to make something of their effo=t and skiil, whilst socialism is teh reguge of Orgaibnsatin Man, who realises that he has no essential skill, and disinclines to make the effort, when whingeing and voting will get someone else to do it for him.
There is essentually NO refuge for the professional, the person who actually IS capable of running things at some scale. They are simnply nort represented in politics at all.

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Most of them make money out of their craft skills, but few are brainboxes.
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Your point being?

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brainboxes.
They are thick for voting Tory.
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IMM wrote:

Ah, So all people are not created equal? And thick people naturally become tradesmen?
This is so Tory, its unbelievable!

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They're building dozens in Melbourne: my retirement home (hopefully) is a 25th floor flat in the heart of the city with virtually everything within walking distance, or failing that tram stop outside the front door. The problem with UK ones was (a) putting the wrong people (i.e. families) in them and (b) having no security.
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Tony Bryer wrote:

Thats so true. Its really hard to give up the habits of a lifetime and realise that the 'back yard' is no longer somewhere you tip the trash and go for a crap...
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That sounds like an architect desperately trying to avoid the truth. Surely the problem with ours was the way they were designed and built ?, not the poor sods who had to inhabit them. PS I hope you have lots of savings to pay the maintenance charges. A 25 story block is going to be fearfully expensive to repair in 25 years time. PPS Your UK pension will be frozen in value the moment you leave. PPPS I believe you will still be entitled to UK winter 'heating' allowance, daft though it seems.
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No Tony got it right. The wrong people were put in them. People from back to back terraces. The security was a major problem being non-existent. 90% of all council blocks I went in has urine in the lifts and graffiti all over. On the Continent each block has a Concierge with emntryphone systems. In the UK upper middle class people designed these thinking the working class would adopt Middle class ways and drop to their knees thanking these people,for taking them up the class ladder. The couldn't give a toss about the upper middle class and brought in their pigeon pens and put them on the balconies.

A well built block will require no expensive structural maintenance.
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No, IMO tower blocks are not suitable for families with children aged 2+, also the ones I was familiar with had common parts open to anyone and everyone - and space that is everyone's often ends up being no one's. The Melbourne towers, in contrast, have swipe card entry and concierge at the entrance.

Always a risk, but there are 304 other people to help pay the bills and as the temperature virtually never falls to freezing a lot of problems with concrete spalling etc you get here don't arise. They also have a sinking fund for major expenses.

Yes, but that's balanced by the much lower cost of living - and I left my inflation-proofed BCO pension rights in place when I left.

No daft at all - do you know how much it costs to run the aircon in Jan and Feb? <g>
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Most of them live in Corpy estates.

Nope.
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Balls! Not everyone wants to live in London. Most people in the UK detest the place.

Balls again. In a rigged land market the situation is different. There is an "artificial" land shortage. Why don't you find out instead of prattling garbage.

More tripe. As soon as those people no longer rely on the city for there living, they get out sharpies to there 700K house.
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Hmm. Roughly one person in 7 (23618/172808: 2001 census) in LB Richmond is over 65. Most will be homeowners and could sell up and buy a very nice place away from London. But for the most part they haven't. Perhaps they realise that as you get older having shops and friends within walking distance and public transport that runs every day of the week beats being stuck in some lonely country cottage.
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Imm wrote:

Those that are outsiders, still yearn for where they came from.
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You know, this is quite entertaining. I put IMM in my Agent kill filter months ago so I don't get to see his responses on this newsgroup, unless I double-click on the message which I don't do often.
Even without the quotes it is quite a good game trying to figure out what he's just said.....!
And the one thing missing from Agent as far as I can see is that there is no undelete function in the kill filter......
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Please keep me there.
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Yup.
There is - right click a message, select 'filters' then 'open filters window'. Then you just have to click and delete the ones you don't want any more.

If you put a sig separator (--) just before 'PoP' this won't appear in people's replies..... -- cheers,
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:13:48 +0000, Witchy

Well bugger me sideways. I never realised there was a right-click menu on the message pane.
Thank you - I now know I can retrieve IMM from the sin-bin if I feel like it. Mind you, I might not be feeling like it for a while ;)
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Please don't. Keep me in your killfile.
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