Tonight's Property Ladder, Channel 4

Its just frustrating to watch a people lose money on what could have been a reasonable proposition. Still, its easy to say when you've "gone through the mill". First time round we all make mistakes.

In message , Mike Mitchell writes

It seems that all of these programmes have the same goal in mind, i.e. to make the developers look like idiots. presumably, that is what the programme makers have determined attracts viewers.

I have not seen one version of this type of programme which offers sensible considered information, subsequently put into practice.

As has been said, it would be interesting to see Sarah Beeny and the other "experts", acting as the developers, but perhaps that is not "good television"?

Yes, we do. I've made many. But these folks seemed totally unconcerned that they had spent double their original "budget". This is not good business practice. In fact, it's pants.

MM

To be fair, they generally are idiots, though.

I thought the final minute sais they had turned down an offer for half a million and were holding out for a higher offer.

Amateur developers are often idiots. People who do it as a living -- long term, and successfully -- tend to be a lot more rational than that.

I would have divrced that red headed know it all bitch immediately.

In fact, I wouldn't have married her in the first place.

What a tosser.

Typical bloody art fart all confidence and no bloody sense, and completely unable to distinguish between property development and an ego statement on interior design.

I don't think it was a tussle at all. It was a wry shrug of teh shoulders as Mrs Knowitall wasted huge amounts of her husbands money and everyones time proving that people who think they are 'designers' can't run a business project.

Darwin. The suilly ones lose money and go back to being management consultants and social wurkahs.

I especially liked the bit at the end...

Presenter: "Will you do it again?" Weird Woman: "Yes" Presenter: "Eh?!?!" Weird Woman: "Yes, and i'm going to be working on other people's projects too..."

I only hope these 'other people' watched her spank her husband's cash away so readily!!!

AJN

Presumably you missed out on BBC2's 'new' version of C4's 'no going back' in which a bunch of clueless tossers decided to run a bar stroke restaurant in Portugal despite never having run a bar or restaurant anywhere before?

It was most comical, particularly the husband who just acted like a total control freak in a gale of opposition from his parents who had good advice, which was presumably just what the programme makers wanted.

I don't think it was a coincidence that he looked and acted like Chris Evans. (ex Radio 1 DJ, and let's focus on the 'ex')

-- cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

Don't the regs require the bannister rails to be something much more substantial with smaller gaps?

Chris

None of the people that I've seen on the show seem to realise that they're not development *their* house, but are developing *someone else's* house.

But this was their 3rd development in the area (see

Zane.

But would it make good television if the amateurs said, after explaining to Sarah their plans and hearing why she thought they were pants, "You're right, let's do it your way instead"?

Actually, I think it would. And while it would put Sarah in the position of having to prove herself right (positively, as opposed to showing clips of estate agents and prospective buyers echoing her words), it wouldn't really be much of a risk, would it?

Zane.

mismanaged

If they have no employment and therefore no income and having to stay with friends. How do they finance these weird conversions. Note they had an offer of half a million which they rejected (and pigs might fly)It seems apparant the buyer pulled out? Did they ever sell or is this programme a con?

Do bears s*it in the woods?

.andy

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Nadir or zenith ?

It made you watch. It caused a reaction. That might be bad property development, but it's good TV.

Who is Sarah Beeney ? Does she _do_ anything, or is she just someone on the telly ?

Assuming they got "better" as they went on I'd love to have seen their 1st attempt LOL

The first.

I watched only to see whether there would be any developments. After the first 20 minutes of Sarah trying to get Mrs Developer to listen to reason, I could see that she was fighting a hopeless battle. Then it became a mission to see said woman fail - as a warning to others, which I definitely think did come across. Although, conveniently, we did not see the final outcome of whether they actually sold at any kind of a profit or whether they suffered a loss, it was clear that as a lesson in how to develop property the programme was a dead loss.

But we don't watch a bad property development programme and say, oh, that's okay, because it's good TV!

She is a successful property developer!

MM