VW owners can get a total $3000 if they trade their vehicles
involved in the emissions cheating scandal.
Article here at ABC News 4: http://alturl.com/tsvou
That reminds me of the GM offer back in the 70s or so. GM
was offering an extra $1000 to trade the pickups with the
gas tanks outside of the rails.
What a deal. That auto purchasing thing always leaves a bad
taste in my mouth.
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The "$1000 gift" VW announced recently seems ridiculous -- esp if
it truly is "no strings attached"! Why not put that money towards a
real solution instead of just giving it away?
[Of course, considering it's not $1000 *CASH*...]
VW says that the offer they made is "no strings attached" but others
say that anyone who accepts the offer will give up some of the rights
he has now for having been cheated on his current car.
If someone A pays money with a check and writes on it, "In full
payment" and the other person B signs it, B has acknowledged full
payment. If A doesn't write that and B writes "Under protest" above
his endorsement, B doesn't give up his right for added payment.
In NYS, if both A and B write their words, B prevails and retains his
But how do you write "Under Protest" when you get this $1000, and
there may well be no statute or case law for in-kind payments.
Accepting that $1000 is NOT no strings attached if, as it seams, it
means you wave the right to any other remedies the law may impose on
VW. You take the $1000 and no longer own the vehicle with the problem,
and have signed off any rights former owners may be entitled to as
well as any rights you will have as an owner.
I'd say "shove it VW" and buy something else.
On 11/11/15 3:44 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
At least the original news stories said VW made the offer and
explicitly stated that it wouldn't impact on any other remedies
including the results of any class action suit. Seems as though their
crisis management people have learned from the mistakes others .
I should've included this paragraph from the article.
"Volkswagen already is offering $2,000 to current VW owners to trade in
their cars for new vehicles, and the gift cards and vouchers would add
$1,000 to that."
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:07:42 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
Gift cards and vouchers for what?? Service on the VW? Dinner at a
fancy restaurant? or cold hard cash to spend as the recipient desires?
And from the wording of that paragraph it sounds like the $1000 "gift
cards and vouchers" were on top of the $2000 trade in bonus.
You are saying the $1000 is available regardless if the owner trades
the car or not. I'm not reading the whole thing - so I'll take your
word for it.
Bad move on VW's part in my opinion.
On 11/11/2015 5:24 PM, email@example.com wrote:
AIUI, $500 is in the form of vouchers to be used at (VW) dealers.
The other $500 is a prepaid credit card. So, it's a throwback to
dealers for overpriced services and $500 to spend for the holidays
Exactly. It's a *gift*! It does nothing to fix the "problem" that
YOUR CAR will still have after the money is gone. It just buys good will
(and "time") for dealers and customers: "Trust us, here's some money"
Which was *my* point up-thread! Put that $1K towards a *real* solution
that doesn't result in your vehicles looking like crap!
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:09:21 -0500, "Kurt V. Ullman"
That's what I was saying, that despite what the news stories say
accepting the offer would mean, that it actually means that rights are
lost. Whoever wrote the news stories is almost certainly going by a
press release by VW, the same company that programmed the cars to
cheat in the first place. What matters is the [release] form that
the person signs when he gets his $1000, a form that probably hasn't
even been written yet. And what also matters is the legal
significance of signing the check or accepting whatever is given.
One should not be taking legal advice from the other party to a
contract. That VW says there is no impact does not mean there isn't.
My guess is that few VW owners truly want a "real solution" because it
would reduce the performance and fuel economy of their vehicles. Like
most people, they may care about air quality but don't want to be the
ones to pay for it.
The Seinfeld "Low Fat Frozen Yogurt" episode? :>
But, this (probably) isn't a case where folks can "avoid" any
eventual fix and just "settle" for the bribe^H^H^H payoff.
When VW comes out with a fix, neglecting to take advantage
of it could very probably leave them with undriveable vehicles.
I'm sure someone will come up with a testing strategy that defeats
the "cheating device" so vehicles that still have that in place
will find themselves failing emissions tests.
And, as this is now a widely publicized problem, only the completely
clueless will fail to check potential "used car" purchases for
whether or not they have been successfully "recalled" (fixed).
I suspect VW will be required to produce a web site that allows
a VIN to be entered and the update status verified.
I.e., I don't see the value to VW for the "giveaway" -- except to
possibly shore up an eroding public image and bolster resale
values in the interim?
The "giveaway" is tied to a trade? If it gets the subject cars out of
the hands of owners, it limits their liability to the owners - when
the penalty is assessed only "current owners" may be able to claim the
higher awards??? Sounds like a real good idea to "buy them off cheap"
if that is the case.
On 11/11/2015 1:47 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
AFAICT, the giveaway has "no strings attached". I.e., if you currently
*own* one of the afflicted vehicles, VW wants to give you some money
(and NOT impact your ability to make claims against them in the future)!
I.e., the vehicles don't "change" as a result of this action. The
company's liability doesn't change. It's just a "gift".
Sure seems like it would be more prudent for VW to apply those re$ource$ to
the actual INEVITABLE fix ("inevitable" because the vehicles will undoubtedly
never be "registerable" once the emissions testing folks sort out how to
address their subterfuge -- which may be something as simple as verifying VINs
of "fixed" vehicles via some VW maintained website to ensure that normal
testing procedures WILL yield accurate results)
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 06:33:33 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
Any time I visit a dealer I feel like I need a shower afterwards. The
best of them are still on the sleazy side. The solution to any
automotive problem seems to be the same. Buy another one. I won't
buy GM cars any more after their lame solution to a problem I had with
Personally I never bought domestic brand. Drove new company every 3
years. GM, Ford, Chrysler, they were all same. My family always had
couple Subaru vehicles specially for kids. We keep buying them, they
keep making same way. My BIL just picked up a Nissan Rogue. Widn shield
wiper motor problem causing intermittent operation, passenger side door
is working erratic. Hope it is not a lemon. Most mechanics are at a loss
when they come to electrical problems. I have zero issue with my MDX
since new. Wife's Suzuki SX4 AWD is fun car to drive. Bought it coz it
has timing chain. I hate the job replacing timing belt.
Never been a fan of Nissan since the 510 and the 240Z - and less so
since their marriage to Renault. I rallied a renault for 3 years -
successfully, ane without any breakdowns - but certainly not my
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