when are safety features unsafe

i think that

you

raise some

points that make

sense

and should

be

discussed in more detail

with an

eye towards improving the efficiency

of

our

tools

without sacrificing our

safety

let us continue the

discussion and possibly

come up

with

suggestions that can

help resolve the

issues that you

point out

really

should

not

have

had

coffee

in

my

mouth

when

read

your

response

to

the

comet

well really the point is that discussing is no good

the industry and or hobby should be doing more to provide the proper training

the manufacturers could consider it marketing expense as it would drive more business to them to provide intensive training

inter

esting

at least the chance of a fatality is less likely than in aviation where they really have a big problem

but the industry and community should still do a lot more to get people checked out on the equipment

it is even worse now as there is less and less exposure to equipment in schools

interesting that someone managed to kill themselves with a manual tool

and no deaths by by nail gun but two by stretch cords and straps

that is an old report so i am curious how a newer one looks

maybe some people just need to stay seated at home and have someone else cut their food

Safety is one of those things that government and its regulations can do nothing about. The only person who has 100% control of accidental happenings is the person who is in control of the event.

If you believe that government regulations can prevent accidents then look at automobiles. In the 60 years that I have been driving cars, hundreds of safety devices have been added to cars. As I remember the propaganda to get the each of the devices required, each device was suppose to reduce accidents by about 10%. Based on this there is no auto accidents to day as a reduction of 10% with a 100 device is essentially ZERO.

The biggest beneficiary of new safety devices that the government requires is the person who owns the patent on the device.

The best safety device sits at the upper end of your neck, if you do not use it nothing will protect you. Before doing any thing you should consider all possible out comes for what you are about to do, and act accordingly.

never said anything about govt and safety but i agree

now back to the point

good training and familiarity makes a big difference

the manufacturers should subsidize that training it would be money well spent

take it out of their marketing budget

Since it's their money, and apparently they don't agree, it doesn't happen. OTOH, if you'd like to spend your money...

And not even that is fool proof. Accidents happen.

If you always reduce the "result of the reduction" each time by 10% you really never reach zero. But I get what you mean,

Oh, and those those who's lives have been saved or who have walked away with no injuries.

Which goes with out saying but it does not always work correctly. It often miscalculates.

That reminds of the old paradox about walking halfway across a room, then walking halfway again, and then walking halfway again. Logic tells us that I will never reach the other side.

So what happens if I jump from a height? At some point I'll be halfway down. Some time later I'll be halfway down from *that* point, then halfway down from *that* point, etc.

Sounds to me like I'll never hit the ground.

DerbyDad03 wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Cold welding blows that completly out of the water. You take two surfaces that are so smooth that they join together and never are released. To get there, you could keep on refining the surface so it's all within a thou, then a tenth, then a tenth of a tenth and so on. Eventually you hit that point and bam! welded.

Puckdropper

Howzabout Jo blocks?

nb

But if you jump from a height you will not be stopping.

My favorite is

Which is 1/2? The needle on the gas gauge indicates the half way mark. Is the whole volume of the tank half full or half empty?

Both are commonly used to describe the same thing except one is actually

Empty has only one value of measurement, 0. Half of 0 is still O.

Particularly when it is dissabled, intentionally or otherwize. A drug or alcohol induced stupor, or a lack of sleep, - many things can dissable it. However, without the safety device at the top of the neck, many other socalled "safety devices" can be disabled or compromised as well. Case in point - the Tesla and the white transport truck and the inattentive driver _--

I've found that the safety devices on a lot of homeowner grade power tools are so poorly placed and/or designed that they interfere with the use of the tool... Many users discard them if they can... I haven't found that problem with professional grade tools.

notbob wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net:

It's pretty cool how they do that. Wikipedia has a picture of 36 of them stacked together and supporting themselves as they stick out from the hand of the guy holding them.

Puckdropper

That argument is attractive to anyone who does not understand the mathematical concept of limit. In any case a point is reached where you have to go the whole rest of the distance or none of it--movement is quantized.

The optimist would think that.