Weird Pipe Found Buried in Yard

Wifi _is_ microwave. It runs 2.5 or 5 GHz, both of which are solidly in the microwave range.

Signal booster? Repeater? You really are out of touch. Twisted pair ethernet is rated for 100 meters with timing being the limiting factor. You can't extend it with a signal booster or repeater. The correct means of extending the range is to use a switch and another

100 meter run (hubs don't exist for anything above 10baseT--100baseTX and gigabit are always switched). If you need an uninterrupted run longer than 100 meters you need to go to fiber for that run. However running from a house to a garage should not be 100 meters unless it's a very large property.
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J. Clarke
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You haven't a clue. You can sit in a parking lot and hack into BB or HD or any other corp, once in you can go hard wired where you have the speed to d/l whatever you accessed.

As to homes, you can access all their business info, CC's Bank accounts, Photo's and video's, whatever they have.

Why do you think some people hacked the local CC readers of peoples personal accounts like at Target, and with drew a slew of minimal amounts from many people and had the money transferred elsewhere?

Why do people attach CC readers to gas pumps, and bank withdrawal systems? They go where ever there is easy money and few are going to trace down 500 or 1000 bucks here and there, they just right it off as the cost of doing business.

If you are that naive, then you are probable vulnerable.

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OFWW

I should have typed 10Gbps. and a bit is not a byte.

I always have the latest, and the integration is possible on mine as well so I have full usability on the High and low freqs at the same time for faster throughput. While the data lines are 1gig, the backbone of my switch is high to all the 1 gig on more than one line at a time.

On Fiber optics 1 to 100gig is easily possible.

Want to play Name that Tune? :)

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OFWW

On cable networks they do not have 4K options in most any area. Our local Cable does not have 4K video anything, any channel, local or remote and has no current plans to do so. And Fibre Optics is not yet avail to residences here.

On Direct TV I have two 4k Systems which is only available on 3 channels and I cannot run more than three TV's at the same time without the system locking the rest out. The latest Genie is unreliable on 4K

So while you might have a 4k TV, what makes you think you are actually seeing 4K videos or movies?

Greater detail in anything you do, less waiting time for anything. Also the ability to video conference with the entire family at once without stepping on each other.

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OFWW

Why the shielding?

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OFWW

Which chip in a modern twisted pair network interface would that be?

So?

Perhaps you have, but it did not come through a twiste pair Ethernet cable.

If he only got 2 Mb/sec out of modern Ethernet he's got a computer in the middle there purposely designed to be a throttle.

Gigabit is just not that fragile. It has been shown to run on barbed wire.

I suspect that they are well and truly obsolete.

What would justify the expense?

I did not say "creds", I said "cred". You're topping it the expert here when it's clear that you are far from up to date.

What is "right" and what is adequate to the task are two different things.

Yeah, you addressed it but didn't give any reason to believe that you are familiar with transformer-coupled network interfaces which are standard with modern Ethernet but apparently didn't exist the last time you dealt with Ethernet.

I don't care about your damned resume. You remind me of the mainframe types who have been in IT for 50 years but can't figure out how to work Excel.

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J. Clarke

Nobody said it was. Show us that a lot more than that is needed in a home network.

You're claiming that your one gig wifi can't handle 4K TV? You definitely _are_ lying about something.

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J. Clarke

Where is the warning for radiation? Microwaves travel by line of sight.

See how ridiculous this is all getting?

You are full of crap.

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One of many Price has dropped dramatically. From years ago.

Can't extend it Eh?

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100Mbps hub also useful as a type 2 repeater.

This is all small business/HO type equipment. Also available in the High end systems.

Sorry you are having such a problems with this but when I hit the switch for my computer tonight this subject with you is over. ;)

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OFWW

I don't remember, but if someone posted it I would recall. The same circuit is designed into the one chip NIC's as well.

Prove it.

Then you don't get what noisy lines are all about, and what can create them. Interference. Also just pulling too hard on Ethernet cabling can stretch the wire messing things up.

Anyhow, I have had enough or your extreme wisdom and knowledge for tonight, and you had better tell Amazon to stop selling what isn't made.

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OFWW

I didn't say that and you did not answer by question about what makes you think you are actually seeing 4K video?

I just opened this post to say I am heading off to bed and by computer is being shut down, as is this thread with you. HAND

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OFWW

So tell us exactly how often this has actually happened in the real world with resulting financial loss?

And how do you "go hard wired once you're in"? Do you somehow magically make a wire fly through the air?

You are assuming that I don't know how to hack. The question is not whether a hack is possible, it is whether it is sufficiently likely to justify avoiding the use of a technology.

Your argument seems to be "Someone who is highly motivated and highly skilled can potentially hack into a wifi network so everybody should avoid wifi".

Tell us of ONE incident where someone successfully stole information from either a Home Depot or a Best Buy by sitting in the parking lot hacking their wifi. You are asserting that this is a serious risk that justifies abandoning wifi, and you used Best Buy and Home Depot as examples, so tell us when it actually happened. Not that they were hacked "somehow" but specifically that they were hacked by someone sitting in a parking lot penetrating their wifi.

So tell us exactly how many times this has actually happened in the real world with financial loss? Don't bluster about it, give us a number.

They didn't hack the "local CC readers of people's personal accounts", they hacked the whole Target system so they were getting every credit card that anybody used in any of the 1,828 Target stores. That's a large enough volume to be worth attacking. And you have not demonstrated that wifi had _any_ role in that attack.

So how many did this by hacking wifi?

I am far far more likely to be murdered, die in a car crash, drown, fall, or experience death in some other manner than to be hacked. There were less than a thousand documented hacking incidents with financial loss in 2017.

One takes reasonable precautions but one does not build one's life around the notion that one can come to grief.

And you have gone far afield from technical issues now.

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J. Clarke

You prove that it did. You are asserting that it happened, so it's up to you to support your argument.

So tells us of a documented case in which "pulling too hard on the cable" or "interference" reduced the transfer rate for 1000BaseTX to 2 mb/sec. You're saying "can happen". So show us when it _did_ happen or you're just spreading FUD.

What would that be?

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J. Clarke

What shielding? CAT1 through 6A are _not_ shielded and 6A is specified to carry 10 gig Ethernet 100 meters. The first shielded "CAT" level is CAT7, which is not recognized by EIA/TIA and is not required by any IEEE standard.

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J. Clarke

The same place it is on your cell phone, another microwave device.

And you think that wifi works over the horizon? Or perhaps you think that "line of sight" means something other than what it actually means.

Yeah, the truth always seems ridiculous to crackpots.

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defines microwaves as being RF emissions from roughly 1 GHz to 30 GHz.

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states that 802.11n uses 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz.

If you think that that is "ridiculous" you might want to show the FCC their error. I am sure that they will be delighted to recieve your wisdom.

Geezus, you don't even know what the Hell you're looking at. That is a POWER OVER ETHERNET extender. What it _amplifies_ is the _power_. The Ethernet signal is transferred by a switch. If you don't know what a "switch" is in this context you really should learn before making more of a fool of yourself. That device has an internal 2 port switch.

A long obsolete device. But you are correct, I had forgotten that

100baseT could be extended to 200 meters with a hub. You can't get to 300 with that device though.

People, don't trust this bozo. He talks a fancy game but he's stuck in the '60s.

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J. Clarke

Well, let's see, the TV shows me a little icon that says that it's showing 4K. But what does it know?

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J. Clarke

Silly me. I thought you actually had some _experience_ running 4K over a network with all your Heap Big Cisco Certified Expertise.

That's nice. What of it?

The fact that the TV is telling me that they are 4K.

You seem to assume that cable companies are the only sources of content.

How do these "possible speeds" give me more detail in Word or Excel or Photoshop?

Less than what? I don't notice any waiting time for much of anything.

If the entire family can't video conference over standard wifi then you must have more family than a Fortune 100 financial services company has employees, because this has not been a problem at work where everybody conferences over wifi.

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J. Clarke

All I know is when I ran Ethernet out to a range extender in my garage, I no longer got any dropouts or buffering. I went from getting low double-digit Mbps to 400+.

I also went wired on one of our TVs, which is right next to the router and it improved its performance greatly. Of course, this could be a limitation in the TVs wifi intake performance.

Wired devices aren't competing for channels either, right?

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-MIKE-

There are a number of extenders on the market that extend Cat6 POE over long distances and I have used a number of them successfully.

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Idlehands

That's POWER OVER ETHERNET. And those extenders use a switch to extend the span of the Ethernet. They don't "boost the signal", they take packets in, adjust the address for the new segment, and send packets out.

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J. Clarke

Looking further, some of them package the Ethernet packets in some other signalling to get extended range, and if you look at the specs, they kill the crap out of performance.

I didn't say that it wasn't possible to make some kind of device that is not an Ethernet device that can transport Ethernet packets. If you are willing to accept latency and low bandwidth you can carry Ethernet packets on a piece of paper in your pocket. But doing so is not compliant with any of the Ethernet standards so it is not Ethernet.

Further, ALL of the things you point to create a new segment.

You really should learn how things work before you start trying to prove that somebody is wrong.

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J. Clarke

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