It's a buzz-word. If you're a person of minimum intellect, inappropriate
is not a problem. Hell, I remember about tumbling over when the NPR "Morning
Edition" folks referred to the "right-wing" Communists back in the Yeltsin
Of course, to them, only the right was bad....
God has not been removed from public schools. Teachers and children, at
least in my little conservative town in Oregon, may wear symbols of
their religious beliefs; two which come to mind immediately are gold
crosses and Jewish headscarves. The Jehovah's Witness children are
engaged in alternate activities during certain celebrations such as a
birthday party in the classroom or holiday activities. Frequently
children speak of God in their essays.
There is no edict saying children or teachers may not observe their own
religious beliefs. What IS restricted is the teaching staff and
administration leading or teaching religion during the public school
hours -- if you want your children to learn and be led in their
religious practices during the school day, send them to an appropriate
The bemoaning of no prayer in school always reminds me that I probably
prayed more in school than at any other time. Especially before a test
or handing in a paper. Like your town, the people in my little
conservative town are more tolerant than I've seen elsewhere. A touch
of paradise. Maybe except for the snow. Another foot tonight. :-(
Actually God HAS been removed from public schools, perhaps not the ones that
you are familiar with but the big cities are witnessing this.
Teachers and children, at
I wish that were true in Houston. It is no longer acceptable for judges to
have the 10 commandments displayed in their court rooms or the Bible
displayed in from of the court house. Putting your hand on the Bible and
swearing to tell the truth is probably next.
In many schools God has been stricken from the Pledge of Allegiance also.
I agree God has been removed from our schools. Not only has God name been
removed from the Pledge of Allegiance, put some schools have stopped saying
it all together to keep from offending those who are not Americans. My
reply to that is they needn't be receiving a free public education then.
Good. The phrase "under God" was added by a conservative administration
in 1952. Apparently the nation survived quite well for 175 years or so
without it. It wasn't there when I went to school :-).
And as far as the pledge itself, it was written in 1892 by the editor of a
socialist magazine. Seems Washington didn't think we needed one. Neither
did Jefferson. Even Lincoln didn't come up with one in the middle of a
war. You know, I agree with them :-).
Am I to understand that in Houston students are not allowed to
wear crosses, Jews headscarves and so on? IN Houston are
the Jehovah's Witness children required to engage in activities
contrary to their faith? Are children not allowed to write about
their religious beliefs in their essays?
When it rains, didn't that Bible displayed in front of the courthouse
get wet? Sounds impractical to me.
I certainly hope that in Houston as elsewhere, no one is required
to take a religious oath prior to testimony, or for any other reason.
Disallowing the use of religious icons to decorate a public building,
hardly tatamount to removing God from the building. Unless my
childhood religious education was very much in error, no earthly
power can remove God from anywhere. ISTM that if someone who
insists on conspicuous displays of their religious icons by their
government is a person who is without faith.
"Under God" is not part of the Pledge of Allegiance. It was 'added'
a well-intentioned but ill-considered act of Congress in the 1950's.
If the Congress didn't like the pledge, they should have written their
own and not messed with someone else's composition. Can you
imagine an act of Congress making a change to one of the ten
In the public schools that my son attended, most of that is pretty much
correct. Crossed could be worn under the uniform shirt. Dress codes were
No, IIRC it was in some kind of protective display case, it may not have
even been real but there was a bit news week when certainpeople wanted it
You mean I swear to tell the truth and the whole truth, so Help me God? Is
there any court room in the US that does not require that?
A constant reminder of God is no harm to anyone not is it a sign of lack of
A conspicous display of their religious icon by anyone, is not a sign of a
person who is with out faith. If you believe that, explain that to any
priest. It matters not, where the display is.
Thats crap. The Under God IS a part of the pledge, not all the time but has
been for a very long time. If you want to argue, just say so.
'Sorry, I was not playing word games...
Of course it is part of the pledge "now", but the clear
intent of the original post about it was that the phrase was
not part of the pledge originally.
All the best,
I have sat on juries in Ohio and Maryland. Neither required a
oath. Any requirement that a person make a statement implying
religious belief is a clear blatant violation of the First Amendment.
Why does a person who has faith need a constant reminder?
and why does a person who has faith need to canstantly remind
We simply disagree.
The Congress didn't write the Pledge of Allegiance so it is no more
appropriate for the Congress to edit it than it is for the Congress
edit anyone else's writings.
What purpose is served by adding divisive language to the Pledge?
That's sad and further evidence of morals going down the tubes. I have been
in Texas court rooms on numerous occasions and the oath required So help me
Any requirement that a person make a statement implying
If that person objects, he can simply say in him mind, I take all that back.
He can deal with that when his time comes. If he does not believe in those
set of beliefs or morals, they should not matter to him. It should only
bother him and his God if he is being deceitful or dishonest. You see, God
is not easily fooled and knows whether you are being honest or not.
I don't know about you but I and many others are still only human and have
many faults. We all need constant reminders so that the constant presence
of evil does not dominate.
Who? reminds others?
I cannot explain that to you. Most prefer it and are conforted by it. I
would much rather feel that this nation is monitored by God than not. Maybe
you feel that you don't need or feel his presence if you have to ask that
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