As I mentioned, I did some looking on Yahoo for woodworking groups. Most
seem to be aimed at a limited audience, like Shopsmith owners or
luthiers. The few that seem to be general are not very active.
I'm surprised. There are several Yahoo groups on model RRs and tropical
fish that are quite active. Why not woodworking?
I did check out the web sites mentioned here by others. I don't like
that interface any more than Mike M. does. The reason I looked on Yahoo
is that their groups allow one to read and write via email, much like
posting to and reading a newsgroup. No web interface involved. With the
bonus that photos and files can be uploaded as well, but that does
require visiting the website.
Since few people have access to Usenet anymore, at least without paying,
and most new users have never heard of it, would there be any interest by
the wreck in starting up a general woodworking Yahoo group?
This message was for rec.woodworking - if it appears in homeownershub
they ripped it off.
You seem to be basically asking the group to move. Apparently the Yahoo
woodworkers don't want to have their own woodworking forum or they would
already have one. Maybe it's more important to stand up for Usenet
before it is legislated out of existence.
I suspect that is because of the number of pretty good web forums
for woodworking. With "everyone" moving to portable devices and
bandwidth getting cheaper, the audience seems to prefer pictures.
For some topics, I can't blame them. (Just wish people would learn
to focus their cameras.)
I have the same preference, but so far the world has failed to shape
itself around my views. It's a shame really.
I suspect that will not go anywhere. There is too much competition
for the amount of content being generated.
Just FYI, usenet traffic has being going through gateways to
non-usenet venues since the '80s. It is an aspect of the design
-- the traffic can go to whatever tool is useful.
Drew Lawson For it's not the fall, but landing,
That will alter your social standing
Why not create one and find out? I do prefer that the group messages be
public, so I can see if the group I'm joining is full of spam or actual
All moderation can be done via e-mail if you're so inclined. Some groups
don't moderate for content, just for spam. (I wonder if the guy who set
up the old "Scratch Building" group is even still around?) That's one of
the things I like about the Wreck, no moderators to please and it's easy
to killfile buffoons.
I really don't mind forums, but they tend to be split into a hundred
different pieces. Yes, woodworking is a giant industry/hobby, but I
don't want to separate things into "Hand tools seen on The Woodwright's
Shop", "Hand tools Tommy MacDonald uses", and "Norm used a hand tool?!"
or some other nonsense.
The only loss of access to Usenet I'm aware of is the loss of
If you sign up with Astraweb which is either $10 (25 GB) or
$25 (180 GB) package, you get full access including binaries.
Several years ago, (2009), I splurged and got the $25 package.
Last time I checked, I've used 0.79 GB.
Based on my present usage, whoever cleans up my estate
will have lots of Astraweb time.
If I were to do it again, I'd get the $10 package.
It would appear that unless you are moving gads of data or pics,
the $10 package is good for many years of wreck duty,
so cost should not be a problem.
To answer your question, by establishing a Yahoo group, what have
you accomplished except to duplicate the wreck?
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:54:04 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Because younger woodworkers have never heard of Usenet. Because few ISPs
still carry it. Because most people won't pay for info they can find for
free, even if the interface is awful.
The numbers tell the story. rec.crafts.woodturning, rec.models.railroad,
rec.motorcycles.tech. all have almost no activity. I wish Usenet was
still as vibrant as it was 10, even 5, years ago. But it ain't. And
nothing you or I can do will revive it. It's gone to join the Fido
And did I say *I* wanted to establish a Yahoo group? I was hoping
someone who'd done it before was on the wreck and was willing :-). If
enough people show an interest and no one else steps up, I'll look into
it but it doesn't appear the interest is there.
For anyone looking for free (well, almost free) usenet access, may
I suggest getting a shell account on sdf.lonestar.org or a simiar
or from a similar organization, learn how to use a unix shell prompt
and enter commands (simiar to the old days of using a DOS prompt but
incredibly more sophisticated and powerful) and famialirizing yourself
with the text-mode program "trn" Thats's what I've been doing for the past
20 years or so, though not continuously on sdf.
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.
Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
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