The only thing I'm waiting on is having a spare three grand that I can't figure out what else to do with. My current TS is only 7 years old. I'll be an old man before it wears out.
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looking at the Saw Stop saws
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14 years ago
I could be wrong, but I thought that was the Steel City saw that had the granite top. I didn't think SawStop had one.
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No it has been around for almost 10 years now. Available to the pulic for 5 or 6 years.
Apparently it works for everyone that has purchased one.
Already done and proven.
There were a few false triggers that I have read about that were caused by a "particular type" electronic watch. IIRC the manufacturer took care of the repair and replacement parts, but that was some years back.
No need to be curious, It is the saw of choice on most wood working DEMO's and I see it more and more on TV and magazine web sites. TOH has been using the contractors version this season. Most class rooms use them now.
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You can very easily move several feet in one second. If the proximity sensor was set so as to keep you far enough away from the blade that you couldn't get to it before it stops, you couldn't use the saw. Tablesaw accidents are over, the damage is done, in milliseconds.
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Given that Franken is a Harvard graduate says more about Harvard than Harvard says about him.
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Given that the subject was the idea that somehow Bachman is a hypocrite for legally accepting farm subsidy monies while it was implied that it was not hypocritical for the "champion of the common man" Franken to fail to cover his own workers (in violation of the law), I don't see that you have a point.
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That works.
Lew
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Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS? Several feet in a sec? Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you ripping a board? When do you ever move several feet per sec at the TS? Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?
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One more thing, if moving "several feet/sec" into a blade, a SawStop isn't going to help you either.
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Are you really making those types of rapid movements around your TS?
Not intentionaly.
Several feet in a sec? Are you practicing your TaeKwondo or are you ripping a board? When do you ever move several feet per sec at the TS? Around most TS accidents a gradual "push" into the blade?
The more likely cause of someone contacting the blade would be a slip or kickback. This stuff happens fast, to fast for a one second delay to be of any use. In the case of brain fade, it might do some good.
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If that's the speed that most TS accidents occur than we should give sawstop grief for pushing that hotdog so slow into the blade in their demos. I would like to see the effect of the hotdog being pushed "several feet/sec" into the blade. Do you think it would still only make a small nick in the dog?
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Seems like 20 minutes ago You thought it was too soon to tell with SawStop.
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I was ripping a 4x4 on my Shopsmith when something went terribly wrong and the end result was the flimsy blade guard was shredded in the time it took me to shut down. I looked everything over after the dust settled and decided never to use the Shopsmith for sawing again. This is a 500 model.
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On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 01:29:10 -0800 (PST), GarageWoodworks
I agree with you, but his assertion of several feet a second is not a realistic feed rate. Sure one can trip and fall into the blade, but that happening is not the common feed rate that one uses. Several inches per second, maybe a foot a second, (depending on wood type and thickness) would seem more realistic to me and I'd suggest something similar to that sounds better as the standard for the hotdog test.
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I'd take my chances with the Saw Stop over a proximity switch. A second is a very long time even moving at a normal pace. You can easily feed a foot or two of mateial into a blade in one second. Don't take my word, take a 3' piece of hardboard or 1/4" plywood and time how long it takes to rip it. Try it with a piece of 3/4" hardwood too.
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Sure, me too. But I will wait for my Powermatic 66 (my very first table saw) to crap out first. No table saw accidents yet, except for a deep cut in my hand on the miter slot edge--ouch! And that accident happened with it unplugged. Since then, I used some 320 grit on that sharp iron table-top edge. Nothing is better than working with safety in an undistracted head--you never know what might happen.
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Perhaps, it has been a very long understanding, I had heard this back in the 70's, that if you got into Harvard you "would" graduate.
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My reference was about hypocrisy. Period. Franken (who, IMO isn't even funny) indeed did a hypocritical thing. My point was that he doesn't have an exclusive on that. I didn't mean to imply that Bachman was/is a hypocrite ..she's just plain bats-in-the-belfry bananas. As far as Harvard is concerned, if you're going for a business degree, you might as well buy one at Harvard as it seems to have some cach=E9.
Hypocrisy belongs on the Seven Deadly Sin List. Replace Gluttony... if that's a 'Deadly' all of North America is in trouble.
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The feed rate in the hot dog demo video looks pretty realistic to me.
Just one man's opinion.
Do the math. According to SawStop, the brake fires in less than 1 millisecond, and the blade comes to a complete stop in 5 milliseconds.
If you're feeding your hand into the blade at, say, 2 feet/sec -- which is a damn fast feed rate -- in 5ms, it moves all of one eighth of an inch before the blade comes to a complete stop. That's a lot more than a nick, obviously, but it's nowhere near an amputation, either.
And that assumes that your hand is in continuous contact with the blade the entire time -- which it won't be.
Watching the slow-motion video on their site showing Steve Gass's finger touching the blade, it's obvious that the blade drops out of contact with the finger long before it stops spinning. The blade begins to drop after apparently only two or three teeth's worth of rotation. At 5000 rpm (as noted in one video), with a 40-tooth blade, three teeth of rotation is less than
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That is what I thought, Steel City and most recently IIRC Ridgid.