Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 4:41am (EST+5) snipped-for-privacy@Yahoo.com (Toller) plaintively
What are you talking about?
It's a different time. If you need an explanation, you'll never
Democratic justice. One man, one rock.
Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 3:56pm (EST-3) email@example.com doth burbleth:
To quote yourself....
Your silly crap is becoming wearisome.
For the Goids' sakes, learn to snip.
You can always ignore him you know. I'm sure Tom does you.
Democratic justice. One man, one rock.
He is talking about events that occurred more than 10 years ago, right
here in the wreck. I am one of the "Bennett's" that he is referring to
(my last name). The other uses "Bennett" as his first name.
Shortly after I started participating in the group, the other Bennett
started haunting my every post with trolling, taunting responses
designed to incite a flame war. It wasn't at all like TJ's cryptic
little stories. These were head-on attacks. Mostly, he was very
critical of my products but onced he even started a thread entitled "Ed
Bennett must die!". His tactics worked just about every time. Before
long he knew all my buttons pretty well and I shot back with flames on
a regular basis. There were truces and "cease fires" and all sorts of
efforts to end the wars. I don't remember anything about
"KnownHammers" but perhaps I was just too caught up in it all. Tom is
right, it was BAD!
I can't remember exactly how it ended. But in the end there were a
number of email messages exchanged and a dozen or so people (who were
genuinely interested) being copied. The argument had to do with my
claimed angle measurement accuracy. I gave him a Jr. for free. I sent
him video tape demonstrating the accuracy of angle blocks and all sorts
of stuff. IIRC he eventually got backed into a corner or just ran out
of arguments and went away.
Most of what I said during the "Bennett Wars" was pretty caustic. It's
nothing to be proud of. Bennett was (and probably still is) brilliant.
His arguments were very well constructed, reasoning sound and logic
impecable. He conducted a debate like someone would play a game of
chess. Planning traps to ensnare his opponent several moves in
advance. I wasn't his first victim, his skills had been honed over
several years (the "Cabal" was a group of his previous vicitms, but of
course it doesn't exist). I was no match at all and I am very
embarrassed at how I conducted myself.
There is one good thing for me that came out of the saga. I had been
manufacturing my products and running my business off the knowledge and
expertise of those engineers and consultants who helped get me started.
Bennett forced me to take personal responsibility for that knowledge
and expertise. His criticism compelled me to buy equipment, conduct
experiments, and do a rigorous studies of my accuracy claims with
statistical analysis of tolerances and measurement uncertainty. Two
articles resulted, and formed the first entries in the Technical
documentation section of my web site:
In fact, many of the articles in the Technical Documentation section
were prompted by Bennett's criticism of my products. Every time he
came up with some reason why my products were no good, I would write an
article about the technical details which explained otherwise. So, in
spite of all the pain he caused me, I owe Bennett a debt of gratitude.
Without his critical taunting, my knowledge and expertise on the topics
of Metrology, manufacturing, and machinery alignment wouldn't be
anywhere near what they are today. And, he probably taught me a thing
or two about woodworking as well (but I would never admit to anything
On 15 Nov 2006 18:13:23 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
<snipped with reverence>
That was a damned fine explication, Ed.
They was some mighty wars but they was interesting and informative.
Let me take this opportunity to tell you that I have total respect for
what you do and what you make and how you present yourself.
My concern has always been to keep woodorking available to everyone,
even folks who own a BT-3000.
WoodDorking is a broad spectrum and there is room for all within it,
be they dudes with engineer mentalities or those who just want to make
a pukey duck that doesn't fall apart.
I think that the discussion of appropriate accuracy in measurement
could go on forever - and maybe it should.
But everyone should get to play. It should be Mahayana, not
Theraveda, in my view, although I am willing and in anticipation of
My best wishes to you in you business pursuits and my best wishes to
you as a decent dude.
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
Thank you Tom, I am glad you approve of my exegesis.
For some it held an interest. For some it was torture!
I appreciate that.
Absolutely. So, it would be appropriate to share how one would do a
task themselves. It would also be appropriate to recommend a
particular tool and/or technique to another. But, it would be
counterproductive to follow up such a message to say that the
particular tool and/or technique in question was unnecessary. And, it
would not be appropriate to demean others and characterize them with
unflattering descriptions just because they advocate a particular tool
or method to solve a particular problem. Correct?
Mahayana: the branch of Buddhism that includes Tibetan, Chinese, and
Zen Buddhism, developed around ad 1. It stresses compassion for all
sentient beings and universal salvation. The Theravada Buddhists
believe that they practice the original form of Buddhism as it was
handed down to them by Buddha.
Not so much a correction.... Are you saying that we should accept all
tools and methods with respect for those who embrace them and recognize
that they all lead to completed projects of the highest quality? This
would seem to be the Mahayana branch of woodworking.
And, would you also be implying that we should not be dogmatic about
any one particular set of tools or methods as if they are the only ones
truely sanctified for the completion of the highest quality of
woodwork? This would seem to be the Theravada branch of woodworking.
And, mine to you and yours as well. Our conversation has been and will
continue to be an absolute pleasure.
On 15 Nov 2006 19:17:14 -0800, email@example.com wrote:
Do me this one favor.
Go back to the post that initiated our most recent colloquy and look
at it carefully.
The first character described was clearly from another age. Read it
again and you will see that.
My point was that our forefathers made perfectly good furniture, some
of it approaching the level of genius, without recourse to what we
moderns have available to us.
It was not another argument of Normite v. Neander.
My point was and is that we must not be too caught up in the
technology of our craft to the degree that it may overcome the true
intent of making.
I worry about the gadgeteers, who think that the purchase of this or
that will surely make them a craftsman.
You know, as well as I do, that this is not the true path.
Mahayana may be characterized as the Big Raft that embraces all.
Theraveda speaks of mysteries that are only available to the chosen.
I'm too much of an American to like that concept.
I worry about newbies that will take your speaking as the only true
gospel and will say to themselves, "I'm not going anywhere with this
hobby. The ante is too high."
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
Wow, Tom, I think we gave poor Ed the ole 1, 2 punch. LOL.. He and I were
discussing the same concept last week IIRC.
I too respect Ed and his products but like you, I know that there is more
than one way to skin a cat. ;~)
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