Re: Central Machinery quality? (2023 Update)

[Scott Lurndal]

What woodworker buys hardwoods from HD or Lowes? Crappy lumber priced by the linear foot. Much rather buy by the board foot at a real lumber yard with a much wider (pun intended) selection.

[Scott Lurndal]

Yes, I do remember. It was quite successful in bringing large numbers of Americans out of poverty.

[Jack]

Ya gets what you pay for. If you can't afford a few construction grade

2x's to build a tool stand/cabinet, then you probably can't afford to do much in your shop other than stare at your tools.

I understand a commercial shop might have a lots of space, and little time to waste not producing money items, but that applies to few, if any in this newsgroup.

[Jack]

I probably should have noted that my HD only sells premium hard wood. #1 clear select. Lumber yards, if you have any left near you sell multiple grades and lower prices. Here is where I got my HD prices today:

or if you must:

Oak, Maple, Cherry and Walnut grow like weeds in PA. At these prices the state should be bald in the near future. I don't know what lumber yards charge for this stuff, all the ones that used to surround me have closed, along with tons of hardware stores.

I wouldn't doubt our commie government will soon require a government license to buy, grow, cut, use or burn any sort of wood and be a union member with papers verifying you had your shots before even thinking about it.

[Jack]

That's WAY below my standards, and my standards ain't all that high. Anyway, what's the point of 3 sides? Just stack your crap on the base/bottom shelf?

[Jack]

I bought one oak board at HD because it was easy and close, and I was there. To travel to a yard that actually had that one board I needed would not have saved me much, if anything. Thanks for wondering though.

The board was primo, not "crappy" at all. What makes you say it was crappy? I think (know) you are making that up. 50 years of building cabinets I know what "crappy" lumber is, and this wasn't it.

[Leon]

So I have looked at the hardwoods at HD but the pricing is about double what I pay. So I do not buy there.

There is plenty of oak down here, not so much cherry or walnut. The suppliers that I go to really do not handle construction grade materials. They cater to the trades/woodworkers.

[Leon]

I'm hoping Maple, cherry around $20 a board foot was a type-o. Same for walnut.

[Jack]

It was certainly successful in destroying the black community, something Johnson himself knew would happen. If you think living on welfare and food stamps is living "out of poverty" you are dead wrong!

It was worth it though, because the black community suddenly needed the commies in power to survive, or so they were led to believe. They are applying the same socialist techniques to the rest of the country as we speak, and doing quite well. Soon, we'll ALL be living "out of poverty"

[Leon]

Quite the contrary. As I tell my customers, don't worry about the materials cost, it is the labor that is expensive. If you want a premium wood vs. stained red oak, the price difference in the finished product will not be that much percentage wise.

Well I am not production 100% of the time but still try not to spend my building time on things that eat into money making time. I get what you are saying but I would build the stand with furniture grade materials vs, construction grade materials. I would end up milling the 2x's stock into 1x. And I would prefer a hardwood vs, spruce, pine, or fir.

[Jack]

Not a typo, I posted the link to my HD store, did you look?

I wouldn't mind a link to where you buy your #1 select maple or cherry for half that price. Not saying I don't believe you but it's interesting for sure. I myself had NO idea lumber has gotten this expensive.

Does this stuff even grow in Texas? I thought live oak, whatever that is, is what was growing down there. They used that for boat hulls in the distant past, to stop canon balls, right.

I only got into this because I saw a local guy on YouTube cutting up oak and cherry for firewood, and he OWNS a nice sawmill... He said he only mills hardwood 21" and over for lumber. I think he got a zillion folks telling him he was a fool. He owns a 100 acres of woods, so he has a lot of raw product for lumber and firewood. He sells firewood, and I'll bet sooner or later he'll be selling lots of lumber, and little firewood, and sooner than later..

[krw]

Breaking up the black family. Well, that's _exactly_ what the left wants now, too, except every family. BLM *is* the Democratic party.

Yep. Soon we'll all be living off the scraps the elite leave us. French Revolution anyone?

[krw]

You don't use the same ones? I saw one drying by the kitchen sink earlier. I though, "humm... nah".

[krw]

Well, I have little time because I'm still employed but I have all the space I need. I have about 2000ft^2 of unfinished basement. ;-)

I have enough room that none of the tools has to be moved. I do move the lunchbox planer and drum sander to get them closer to the dust collector.

[krw]

So you can stack more crap without it falling on the floor, of course.

[Unquestionably Confused]

But how many did it raise out of poverty in such a manner than they became self-supporting, productive members of society vs. those "raised" out of poverty by increased government handouts which continued to increase to maintain the fallacy that they are out of poverty?

I believe that there is a place for welfare but there must be a concurrent effort to get people off the dole and become productive. That doesn't appear to be in the politicians agenda. Keep them beholden, keep them voting (for me) seems to be the goal.

The bright line test for eligibility for welfare is in itself a deterrent to self sufficiency. They put the people on welfare and then cut them off completely when they get $XXXX in income. Would it not incentivize the majority to GRADUALLY trim back the welfare payments as they gain self-sufficiency to encourage them to earn more without fear of losing all their government support at once.

All they've done is create generations wholly dependent on the dole with little interest in getting ahead. "I need more money, send the baby daddy around to impregnate me and let's hope for twins this time!"

Just to keep it somewhat on topic, government's handling of this makes me want to grab a 2 x and lay it up along someone's head! ;)

[J. Clarke]

I've always felt that the system should be set up so that you're _always_ better off if you work.

[Spalted Walt]

+1

[J. Clarke]

According to official figures that do _not_ count food stamps or welfare as income, the poverty rate fell from about 22.5% to 11.2% between 1959 and 1974.

The trouble is that it hasn't fallen much more since, despite government spending on poverty programs going from 100 billion in 1974 to over 500 billion in 2011.

Clearly that extra 400 billion isn't going anywhere that actually helps people and we as a society should be trying to find out why.

[DerbyDad03]

Are you doing anything to be part of that "we"?

I, admittedly, am not.