It <is> pretty, I'll agree. I spent 10 years or so in the Lynchburg
area, then 25 in east TN.
I missed the flat country the whole time, however. I like seeing the
far horizon, but it (like anything else) isn't everybody's cup o' tea.
Lynchburg, AKA Falwellville, is about 30 miles east of here.
My wife likes it. I prefer Roanoke, 30 miles west.
"It is when power is wedded to chronic fear that it becomes formidable." Eric
Hard to believe today, but I'd never heard of the village painter's son
before I got there. Lynchburg certainly was a culture shock to a KS farm
boy right out of school to get to the "proper" behavior of The Old
Roanoke was far bigger than Lynchburg back then ('68) although that was
certainly far larger than where I came from, of course...never really
spent any time in Roanoke. Drove by to get to Blacksburg or to/from KS
when visiting is about all...
By the time we left, the influx of new hires by B&W and GE had diluted
the originals to the point it was no longer the totally closed society
it was when we arrived...
Overall, did enjoy our time there although I feel much more at home back
Not around here, no, but you do see a little of that in Virginia. I ran
down into the far southeastern corner once, near the Great Dismal Swamp.
They had fields that gave me some inkling what it must be like out west.
Trees on the far side far enough away that you could see the curvature of
the earth in between.
I think I run through a fair amount of that in the Carolinas too, but they
have the good sense to hide it all with trees, so it doesn't unsettle the
hillbilly stomach so badly.
Me too. Think about where I run. It's good running, but I'd go nuts if I
had to live there, I think. Some places you can see where the road is
going 15-20 miles ahead of you, with a big straight slash right down the
middle of the gently rolling Jummy forests. It just doesn't feel right
without those big green humps surrounding you
The only time I can tolerate flat is when there's an ocean at the far side
of it. I try not to look back the other way. :)
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Well, not necessarily... :)
I got an engineering degree when got out of high school (for complex
reasons relating to the state of farming in general and the particular
state of the family farm at the time) and spent 10 years in Lynchburg,
VA, and then another 25 or so in the Oak Ridge, TN, area so I know the
"hill country" there pretty well... :)
In TN, I serviced our line of online coal ash analyzers at mines and
prep plants all over coal country in TN, VA, WVA, and KY. I know most
of eastern KY and SW VA pretty darn well. We had fewer in WVA and most
TN mines were surface so I had less direct interaction there. I got to
know and like a tremendous number of miners over the years. It's a
great portion of the country. I always told others that sitting around
w/ the miners after shift was essentially the same as sitting around at
the Co-op elevator scales w/ the grain farmers or the sale barn w/ the
cattlemen--just a slightly different set of topics for each.... :)
My biggest complaint was that servicing of the analyzers was always left
for night shift when running gob and it never failed but to be a cold
rain or snow at 2 AM on the outside belt in KY in Feb... :( :)
There really is very little difference in the <farmers> themselves
between the regions, it's all in the crops and ground they're farming.
Out here where it only rains 18" or so a year, it is simply not possible
to grow most things that are grown back there and the yields of what
does grow are not sufficient on small acreages to make it. There are
still a number of smaller operations in central and eastern KS, OK, NE,
AR, etc., that look much more like what you're familiar with and where,
unfortunately, the economics are such that it does require a second (or
third) job. Here on the high plains, it has mostly been a case of the
second and third generations mergeing (sp?) two or more operations
together as the parents retire. In most cases in at least one of those
families all children will have left so there is no one else to take
over. It wasn't until Dad died that I decided to come back and that was
not planned ahead--I discovered when he passed very unexpectedly that I
had such emotional ties to the place I could not think of letting it
pass out of the family. Since my kids were all raised in VA and TN,
they have rememberances of their grandparents, but no real attachment--I
don't expect either of the boys will have the same realization when I'm
gone so at that point it probably will also be merged in w/ one or more
of the neighboring places and someone will probably put a town-farm on
the home place itself... :( I've a few more decent years, but certainly
in 10-15 I'll be thinking it's time to try to arrange for something not
<quite> so demanding... :)
Undoubtedly far more than you wanted to know... :)
Enjoyed the interaction, guys, thanks...
Cousin's place was outside Bergen--enjoyed getting to know several of
the locals there over a number of summers...
One major difference here was that it was settled so late and the open
country encouraged large-scale farming from the beginning. Our town
wasn't founded until 1888 when the railroad ended here before being
allowed to cross into the OK Territory. Grandad came out from central
KS in 1914 and started w/ mules, but got first tractors in the 20s.
Unfortunately I do not know what the very first was, but an early Twin
City was the first "large" one--it was about 30 hp I think. By the 30s
they used Cat Twenty-Two's for the flotation, one of which is still
operational (although I don't have it, sadly). I first drove the
Farmall M, then we got a 400 and 560. Our first big tractor was a Case
930 wheatland model. Grandpa bought a AC WD45 when he got older to have
something he could handle a little easier...it had the snap-coupler
system and we had so many implements for it that Dad upgraded it to a
D17 (about 50 hp, I think) when I was in high school. I did a <ton> of
row crop on it. When we went to six-row planters we got the first JD
4020. Dad then gradually stepped up over the years as it became
necessary to add acreage and as it became nearly impossible to get good
reliable help. He progressed through JD 4440, 4640, 4840s. I still
have the ('79) 4440 (w/ <4000 original hours) for the scoop and blade,
mowing around the place, etc.
Certainly and issue around the larger cities/towns, not nearly as much
so in more rural areas...see my other post on demographics...our little
town is no farther to the south or east towards us now than it was when
I was in high school in the 60s. It has moved north by about 1 mile in
that time. The big expansion is the flood of trailers before there was
any county-wide zoning at all... :(
Consider yourself exceptionally fortunate. In the past 28 years, Bedford County
has almost doubled in population, and is one of Virginia's fastest growing
areas west of Charlottesville. I'm not at all sure there are many areas east of
C'ville that are gobbling farm space as rapidly.
"It is when power is wedded to chronic fear that it becomes formidable." Eric
That's too bad...I haven't been back to Lynchburg for almost 15 years
now...we lived in southwest end of Anderson County close to what was
(then) the new golf course. Love Beford County as well...tried to buy a
Civil War-vintage old plantation house just east of the Peak but the
owner had cut off all the land except for a teeny-tiny triangle right up
to the back porch and wouldn't negotiate 10 or so acres off in order to
be able to make something of the place...I've forgotten the number of
the road it was on, but was prime area. B&W was bought out by McDermott
and internal R&D didn't look too promising and my former boss called
from Oak Ridge starting a new consulting firm office at about that time
so never did negotiate anything rural of our own while in VA...
It's a mixed bag...the farm economy plus oil/gas reserves are almost
depleted here now have been so depressed that local economy is not at
all healthy. If we didn't have the community college we'd be one of the
80% of counties I was speaking of earlier. I do like not having a high
population density, I would like to see a more vibrant local economy
such as we had during the post war era through about the mid-70s...
I think you missed the point. I assumed he was objecting to
my use of "Hell" so I was tweaking his moral values--object
to a swear/strong word but fraud.
Your comment seems to imply that to disagree and being a
scofflaw are the same. Most of the people I know that went
through the depression were law abiding whether or not they
agreed with various laws and policies.
While we are at it maybe some definitions are needed. The
depression was from 1930 to 1939, at least that's what my
references indicate. Going through the depression means to
me experiencing it in a meaningful way which means the
person would need to be old enough to be aware of what was
going on. I take that to mean that the person was born at
least by 1924 and to really experience it they would have
needed to be at least 15 by 1930 or born by 1915. Of
course, a great number of people didn't experience the
depression at all even though they were adults during the
period. It depends on the geographic area, the jobs they
held, and the social stratum they lived in.
Nonetheless, to imply that those born before 1915 generally
approved and practiced fraud is a bit outrageous.
Yeah, sorry I missed that addition of Prohibition. Always
like it when some one adds an extraneous point in the middle
of a discussion. But, the two didn't overlap much;
prohibition was from 1919 to 1933. So the overlap was only
3 years. Prohibition was undoubtedly one of the stupidest
laws in U.S. history and resulted in the establishment of a
large criminal group and a huge crime wave. Nonetheless,
I differ with your viewpoint. I'm rather thankful that I
grew were people were generally honest, law abiding, and
generally didn't defraud their fellow man.
Revisionist History at its best. The gangs were there before, they were
there after "the great experiment." Booze just provided a good source of
quick money above the gambling, prostitution and extortion which preceded
it, and the racketeering and drugs which followed.
I'm seeing a lot of "Indian" cigarettes around now that we're the second or
third highest tax state in the US. More casinos, too. Did the laws cause
the tribes, or just the tribe's corruption problems?
Yep booze provide the money to power "organized crime."
Wonder why it was not called "organized crime" before that?
Too far off topic to continue. Indian cigarettes are a
minor problem in the "Indian problem." Too bad Congress
never had the guts to straighten things out.
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