Fix what? Messed up what? Residential electrical work isn't rocket surgery, unless you live in Chicago, where everything needs to be in thin-wall conduit, even if buried in the walls. I guess they think that'll protect the wiring against random bullets.
No, what you describe above is not "working within the rules". It's busting them all to hell.
Laws clearly define such things. If the building was inspected when it was incomplete, it needs to be inspected when it is complete, if for no other reason that you've improved it (increased its value). Try this and, at a minimum, you may have to take out another building permit. You may not get a CO, either, since the building is incomplete. If you're working with the building inspector on this, it's plain out and out fraud, probably conspiracy too.
But you can't generally move into an incomplete house. Most jurisdictions have a concept of a "certificate of occupancy" that means all health and safety stuff is in there (and it's been recorded at the tax assessor's office).
Hobby farms do that all the time but on a scale like that, I doubt it highly. Zoning, alone, would probably make that impossible.
Of course. It's rare that a movie makes a "profit". Bill and Hill's foundation doesn't make a "profit" either.
Their agents aren't that stupid anymore.
Certainly but you can't break the law while doing it, either. There is a difference between "avoidance" (perfectly legitimate, and some would say it's an obligation) and "evasion" (a criminal offence and highly frowned upon). What you describe is clearly the latter.
Oh, good grief! Do you really not know the difference?
Bullshit. Chicago uses that as an excuse but in fact it's really union control.
We know you're a lefty.
Sketchup is not CAD. It's a modeling program. If you go into it thinking it's CAD, you'll *never* pick it up. The process is backwards.
Huh? You do know the 'C' is for "computer", right?
Nah goes back to 1871. Or maybe it was the electrians union and the NEC playing upon that fear.
Protects the wire from being chewed on by RATS
snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:37:11 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Yep. OTOH, the place catywampus on the cul de sac, he put the wheels back on the singel wide and "there goes the neighborhood." as he towed it away to a buddy's place to become a storage shed.
snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:54:57 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Did you notice that his building was in GREECE? And that he had his building inspected _according to the law of the land_? And that was the Practice of the Country in which his residence was being built?
If you do this in California, I'm sure. But if you haven't noticed, Greece is not California.
Define "incomplete"!
These buildings are considered incomplete by the law of the land. Take it up with the Romans if you don't like it. By law, if a house was constructed overnight, it was illegal to remove it. And lo, one morning on my way to school, I saw a "new" house where there had been a corner in the wall the day before. Now, I realize it did not meet the US Housing code, but so what? Under Turkish law going back to the Ottomans (or earlier) it was legit.
And most jurisdictions are not the United States. Pay attention.
Try again. When Hughes bought the property, he was allowed to build buildings on it, but at least between 1 and 5 acres had to remain cultivated for it to qualify as a "farm". That was the law, that was what he did, he had a five acre farm with some outbuildings.
And yet you ramble on about how the law must be followed, or else.
So complying with the letter of the law is violating the law????
Yes I do. But you do seem to be the one who will conduct your business so as to benefit the tax man. granted it is your money, so it is your choice. Do you pay MSRP? (Manufacturers Suggest Retail Price)
What you seem to be unable to grasp is that conforming to the letter of the law is an old practice And the customs of your town are not universal laws.
So have a nice day, and don't break any of the federal or state tax laws. Or violate code, either. You better check in and make sure that everything you do doesn't violate a law, regulation, or departmental rule.
tschus pyotr
"John Grossbohlin" on Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:08:34 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
I know that. Which is why I have been designing a replacement frame for the lights (thank you for that term.)
I did. Several times. Originally, there was a panel in a fame, and it could roll /slide back and forth into a pocket in the wall. Rev
2 had one panel fixed, and other sliding in front of it. (Or on the inside side.) Rev 3 is to go buy a smaller complete window second hand, and install that. >snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:58:46 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Whatever it is, so far, it hasn't interested me enough to look into. Some people pick up software easily. not my forte.
Says so, right on my text books.
And good luck with that. I doubt that a Supreme Court justice can be _certain_ that he isn't violating some law, regulation, or rule when he goes about his daily affairs. Of course if it comes to be a real issue he can get his buddies together and change the law (my father had a probably apocryphal story about Harvey Firestone and five Justices getting stopped in a speed trap by some local yokel cop, which did not go well for the cop).
In any case, one example was a light in the attic. It was suspended from five different Romex cables, all connected together in a huge mass of friction tape. Took me all day to get all that crap unwound and the stickum off and get it all into a properly sized box with proper support for the light, and I had to repull two of the cables which were too short to reach the box. There was a lot more similar shoddiness but that was the worst.
No, using it as an excuse for graft.
I don't either and have to get into the head of the developer before I can pick it up. I started with Sketchup a number of times, each time thinking it was a CAD program. I think it was someone here who told me to look at it from the opposite side. Draw things first, then get the dimensions of all the parts. It's really a 3D drawing program.
You shouldn't have to "redraw" anything to move a hole.
Welcome to the Machine.
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Are *YOU* in Greece? You're the one who's talking nonsense.
I'm talking to *YOU*, in case you didn't notice. I'm disputing your position.
No CO, which usually includes, but not limited to heat, water, electricity, as well as things like fire/CO alarms, and often a stove.
Let me ask again. Are *YOU* in Greece?
You move your house from Greece to Turkey in one night?
Once again. ARE YOU IN GREECE?
I'm sure that bribing local officers of the state is illegal in Greece, too. Perhaps it's normal but that doesn't say it's legal.
Not buying it. Even you weren't sure of the facts. Citation required for incredible claims.
Idiot. They *ARE* following the law. They have a thousand attorneys making sure they're following the law.
Tax evasion is against the law, yes. Yes, violating the letter of the law is against the law. >> But be that as it may, I take it then that you are not one to
You really can't read, can you?
Being thrown in prison is an old practice, too. Yes, it's illegal to evade taxes in my town, and I'll bet it is in yours, too.
I try not to. It's a good way to live life.
snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com on Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:54:57 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Look up the Luxury Tax Act of 1991. Great idea, add a 10% surcharge on boats over $100,000. Would be a real revenue generator.
For some reason, if failed to bring in all that much money, and two years later it was repealed, due to the lack of jobs, and the closing of boat building yards. Why? Because people do not have to conduct their business so as benefit the tax man. While US yards were closing due to lack of work, the Canadian yards 200 miles to the north were booked solid. Now, I'm sure that you'd be willing to chose a US yard, never mind that it is a minimum of 10% more expensive. Because after all, apparently to you "avoiding tax" is the same as "evading". And you wouldn't want to "evade" any taxes, right?
tschus pyotr
LOL, I learned drafting when I "was" going to be an architect, early 70's. So assuming CAD being better than actual drawings, we used an eraser if we needed to revise a drawing, certainly not starting the whole drawing over.
snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com on Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:28:38 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
` Okay, lets both calm down. Cum Romae ritum romanum sequuntur. YMMV. Check your local requirements. Do not try this at home. In Greece that is the procedure, it is not in the States. By law, the house was complete. Just as the house with the exposed rebar is "not complete" by the local laws. Just as the guy's "closet" didn't need to have outlets every six feet, but if he ever converts it to a dining room they'll need to be installed first. (On a tangent, I'll need to check, but I have heard that in some places unless the room has a closet with a door, it can be classified as "not a bedroom". So it is a two bedroom house.)
OTOH, someone posted about saving money because the "manufactured home" they lived in still had the wheels attached, ergo was not "a house" but a "trailer". Avoiding tax, or evading tax? I'm sure there are parts of the world where no building permit is required, necessary, or existing. OTOH, I recall a guy who was having trouble with getting permits for something, and his foreign born wife said 'That's the problem with democracy, you can't find out who to bribe to get things done.'.
I have traveled enough and have seen many things which I knew would not be permitted in the States. When I returned from Germany, I realized that most of the cars on the streets would not pass TUV (Technischer Überwachungsverein, the annual inspection). So what? Ich bin nicht mehr in Deutschland. YMMV. OTOH, there are many things which I see in the states which weren't permitted in Germany. Bald tires. Had friends get a ticket in the mail for having tires with insufficient tread. Yes, the officer on patrol noticed his parked car had at least one "bald" tire. When I was departing to live overseas, one thing I was told was "The Bill of Rights end at the shoreline.". (AFRTS had that as a PSA, too.) Meaning, if you run afoul of local laws, don't claim Constitutional Protections. Along those lines, I had to make a statement in Egypt about a burglary. While the colonel of the police is conducting his preliminary investigation. I didn't have much of the Arabic, but I could tell that the one guy was saying,loosely translated, "Effendi, It wasn't me, it was his idea, please don't hit me". I said "Thank God for the fifth amendment." I have considered moving/ living in Canada. It is very much like the US, similar languages, culture, etc. Save for the one small minor issue that it is _not_ the US, and I can suddenly find myself afoul of the law insisting on legal protections which are different than in the States. "Oops" - its not so similar any more.
The whole point is: What are the rules and regulations where you are? Not what they are 'back home', but here? What is permitted in one state may not be permitted in another. E.G., class three firearms are legal in Oregon, but not even parts for them are legal in Washington. As they said in Oklahoma "what's the difference between a wet and dry county? In a dry county you can buy 'strong drink' on the Sabbath." [sf/x: rimshot] Times change, what was isn't, what wasn't, is. It used to be that you could be in college and buy booze in some states - legally. It used to also be that you could buy heroin in the corner drug store, but hooch was illegal (although I've been told, you could get it delivered.). Then it changed round the other way.
As to the whole issue of avoiding taxes, vs evading them: I recall a report about a guy who was importing full size houses as kits, into Japan. One day he gets a call, one of his shipments is oversized, and the custom duty will cost a bundle. He says "Hai! Please wait till I can inspect and see if it can be resolved." He arrives, and lo, one board is sticking out "too far". He smacks it back in with a hammer, problem solved, no need for "oversized load" duty. Not evading, avoiding. Duty free shops - you can buy this here, free of the local taxes, but, you cannot consume it here. The malls and parking lots in Bellingham Washington are full of RVs of Canadians who are staying out of Canada long enough that their purchases qualify for lesser customs rate. I've done similar going north. Spend two days in Canada and I save on any custom fees on purchases. Did you know that you can't buy beer in Canadian supermarkets? I finally found the "packy" and bought a six pack of American beer. For a fir ends Birthday, because he liked "imported beers." The Custom's Agent said "not enough to justify the paperwork, have a nice party." We laugh at pictures of overloaded trucks, busses and trains, but locally that is "accepted". As long as there is room for the driver and it moves, it is not all that much overloaded. Just do not try that in the States.
Fnord, I can't haggle in the Safeway as I could in Turkey. Totally not fair. OTOH, ... I wonder if the merchants in the bazaar now take credit cards?
to sum up: Cum Romae ritum romanum sequuntur.
tschus pyotr
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snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com on Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:46:41 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
So I do the drawing on paper, and port it to the program. Hmm, maybe I can make it work.
If you have a paper & ink drawing, revisions required the entire thing be redrawn and re inked. Because what is on the drawing is the legal definition of the part. I know that Boeing issues "notifications" which are to amend / clarify a portion of a drawing, but at one level, that is dumb. I have waded through masses of paper to see if there is a reason why the part I have in hand, which does not match the drawing I'm seeing, "is in spec." Fnord - last run of an extruded part, and the extrusion doesn't match the drawing. Off by "that much" which is way out of tolerance. Oy. So much for the rest of the shift.
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