That doesn't answer the question. Try again. I'm talking about people who
*do* get searched, but are clearly not a threat by any stretch of the
imagination? Why would they search little old white ladies?
Why would they search "old white ladies"? My point exactly. It's a
waste of time and resources. I can't imagine why you'd pick that
argument with me, of all people, as I've already stated that I think
it's a useless tactic. and expensive.
OK, I'll tell you, rather than clutter this thread with 300 messages before
we get to the point. You said certain people will whine about racial
profiling. Solution: Even if they're being sarcastic, and privately shaking
their heads later, the NYPD can honestly say "No...we're searching little
old white ladies, too". It's a polite way of saying "Shut the f**k up" to
oh, just the rude comment about my age. :) That's not the sort of thing
we should be getting into if we are to have a serious discussion on the
merits of law enforcement's method of dealing with the terror threat.
My point is that in order to appease a segment of society, law
enforcement's efforts have been overly expensive and ineffective. I'd
like to see a more focused approach taken BEFORE the next big
I asked your age for a good reason. If you're young enough, you may have no
idea about some of the more interesting things the FBI got away with in the
late 1960s and early 1970s, with regard to surveillance. But even so, your
U.S. history courses should've told you about the McCarthy era. Do not
entertain any fantasies about the FBI or any other law enforcement
organization knowing when to limit its own powers.
so you are equating the terrorists with some of the folks who were
scrutinized back in the McCarthy era??? Wake up and notice how the
world has changed in the past few years! Ham string the authorities
enough, and you just might pay the price with your life.
*I* am not equating movie stars (accused of being Communists during the
McCarthy era) with terrorists, but the law enforcement community certainly
did exactly that. Do you think these citizens were hauled before senate
hearings to practice their acting skills? Hell...they were even sniffing
around Einstein's door. Next time this happens, it may not be limited to
high visibility individuals. It could be you. If you think this is OK, then
you MUST be very young because you have NO idea what life was like in the
USSR. Their society was like that WITHOUT threats of terrorism.
I know, I know! That was clearly unacceptable, but in today's world we
have more pressing matters that require some broadening of the
government's ability to ferret out the murdering bastards. To worry
that they will focus on Joe Sixpack is just more paranoia in my book.
the authorities have their hands full with potential real terrorists to
be wasting time railroading innocent Americans. I can't believe that
you really think that would be the result of the Patriot Act or similar
future legislation that may be required as things heat up further.
Keep in mind that legislation is harder to get rid of than it is to put in
place. Most of the legislators who spoke out against the renewal of the
Patriot Act (without modifying it a bit) ended up voting to keep it, just as
it is. So, saying "we need it now" sounds innocent enough until you find
that it's impossible to get rid of.
By the way, my definition of paranoia involves fear of things that are
imaginary. The abuses you've been told about have already happened, and they
will happen again. Bank on it.
So what's the solution? Laissez-faire? You gotta break a few eggs to
make an omelet. The stakes are so high, that civil rights (to some
extent) will take a deserved back seat to the methods needed to thwart
the terrorists. It's NECESSARY, or there won't be any more "us" to
debate this issue.
I'm not concerned about being scrutinized or abused by the government
due to thier additional new powers. (The've already been there and done
that and I survived and it had nothing to do with extradodinary powers
granted by the Patriot Act).
I told you I was not trying to offend you, but asked your age because it was
(and still is) germane to this discussion. Go back and read it again. You're
hearing what you want to hear. Is it possible you're not familiar with the
word "germane", and that somehow causing you problems?
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