The threat of icy weather has already shutdown the south.
I was in Tuscaloosa about 3:00pm and they were already
stores closing up shop(even blue borg at 4:30),apparently
this was to give the employees a chance to join the run on
bread, milk and batteries. :)
It always amazes me how the South is absolutely shut down by snow. But when
you really get any measurable amount every twenty years or so, there's no
preparation or contingencies for it, and no one knows what to do except for
visiting damn Yankees. Then, if all goes well, it's thawed and gone in a
couple of three days.
I am originally from Ohio, near the lake, and for my first 27 years, drove
in snow all the time without worry.
I moved South, and also laughed at how everyone panics with a little snow.
Then in about year three, I had a lesson presented to me that made me
understand why it is as it is.
I had to stop on a little hill at an intersection, with a slope of a little
more than 1/2" per foot rise. I was only barely able to get moving again.
In the South, winter weather often starts as freezing rain, changing to
snow. That is nearly impossible to find any traction on that stuff when it
is frozen on the road. They do not have salt or enough equipment to get it
on all of the back roads quickly, so you have roads in neighborhoods that
are nearly impassible.
So, the snow is different. It really is. Also, another factor around here
is that the country roads have no guard rails protecting a 50 foot or more
plunge, if you slide off a corner. The lawyer mentality keeps schools from
sending out students in busses on those type of roads if they are slick..
Jim in NC
There are some clueless drivers that are fun to laugh at when it snows,
It's funny how many northerners don't realize just how much of the ease
with which they travel after a snowfall is the result of the sand trucks
and not of the excellence of their driving skills.
When I was at Georgia Tech there was an ice storm, and my GF was stuck
at work. I went to get her, got a block, said "screw this" went back to
the apartment, and dug out my studded snow tires from when I went to
OSU, put them on and went to pick her up.
I came to an intersection. A guy on the cross street creeps up to a
stop sign at the top of a hill, tries to stop, can't, coasts through the
intersection and on to the downhill side, and once he's going downhill
the only way he's going to stop before he gets to the bottom is with
rocket assist. Well, a minute later another guy did the same thing.
And by the time the traffic cleared enough for me to go through the
intersection there were IIRC seven cars piled up at the bottom of the
hill. I walked down on the shoulder (no way I was going to put the car
on that hill and get it creamed by the next guy who came down) and made
sure nobody was hurt then went on, picked up the GF, and called the cops
to go rescue the folks at the bottom of the hill (this was before cell
Seriously, in the South if it snows and you don't have studs, the best
thing to do is stay home.
When I lived in VT they didn't use *any* sand (it tends to freeze solid). When
it gets really cold salt doesn't work, either. Packed snow is easy to drive
on, though. Forget ice, no matter where you live.
...and they're banned in a lot of Northern states. I didn't like them because
my car would skid all over on wet pavement.
I have to wonder what kind of sand, salt and cold are you referring to? A
number of times over the years, I've experienced weather in Toronto where
the temperature has been -20F and that's before the wind chill was been
factored in. As long as the streets aren't too mushy or clogged with snow,
salt and sand have worked fine for the most part.
I've heard that information before although it doesn't change the basis of
my comment since I've always believed its main value in winter time was as a
boost for traction. Essentially, I'm asking what's different (or worse as
was suggested) about winter and roads in this case in Vermont?
All I know is what that salt does to an auto or use to do since I havent
lived in an area that uses it anymore. In Colo they use to use cinder don't
remember them using much salt. When living in NJ salt was the only thing
used and I remember cars with rusted holes the size of basketballs. Living
in Southern Ca. the sun keeps the roads clear.
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Except for the big one where Toronto didn't get paid.
I wonder if T.O. got paid in the end or helps out anymore.
Toronto is not well equipped, when it comes to big snow, either, and has had
to call in the military for help.
Probably the fact that even the City if Buffalo tries to emulate
Toronto's snow clearing capabilities and quite often calls on Toronto
Toronto has a very large fleet and a well equipped snow clearing program and
like ANY city with a budget for snow clearing, they balance their yearly
monies allocation mainly on the yearly average snowfall rate from previous
years. Sometimes, they get caught short, but not often.
And, as far as the military goes, several years ago, the mayor of Toronto, a
boob named Mel Lastman, called the military in to help with snow removal.
That was ONE time and hasn't been done since.
Nothing like a little bit of mis-information with the addition of some open
ended information to mess up the flow of facts, eh Josepi?
Is Hoseppi out on a weekend pass again? Has he learned to post like a
human yet?....I take that back... I see that he hasn't.
<plonketyplonketyplonkplonkplonk.>... Didn't need to, I already had,
but it feels nice to be immature sometimes.
Indeed, Lastman's request for military help was an isolated one, and
he did it purely so he wouldn't have serious cost overruns on his
removal budget. Not too stupid, if you ask me... I wonder how that
worked out for him.
All the 16 years I lived in Toronto (Beaches. nice and close to my gig
at RL Hearn Generating Station) I never had an issue with snow... the
Toyota Landcruisers ( a '73 and a '76) helped only a couple of times.
Well, you're a little out of date. If I remember correctly, about a year
ago, they took some type of public poll and officially named the area, "The
Beach" ~ so public signs and stuff are all uniform. I've always called it
the Beaches and will continue to do so. Aside from spending our money
wherever they please, politicians have nothing better to do than run around
and rename stuff (or sell it off like the Skydome). Screw rogers as far as
I'm concerned. Monopolistic, greedy, anti-competitive outfits get as little
of my money as I can orchestrate.
Micro breweries it is then <G>
Speaking of such, I hope Molson's is being charge accordingly for their
disruption along their planned route.
Six huge vats with a capacity of six million bottles each. Damn, that's a LOT
of mediocre beer!
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
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