A recent thread in a.h.r blamed the government for "ruining"
the portable gasoline container:
TITLE: The government ruined the gas can...
Personally, I feel manufacturers ruined the gasoline can, simply
by following only half the requirements for a gasoline can.
That half is the government requirement that the gas stay
*inside* the can. Yet, the manufacturers wholly punted on the
consumer's requirement that the gas flows *out* of the can!
All photos below are of the Blitz brand, since it's all I could
find local Lowes hardware store, here in California anyway:
The real problem is that the engineers at Blitz designed a gas
can *only* to government standards (and not to consumer needs).
For example, the government stipulated that no gas should diffuse
or leak leak out of the can, even after a year in the hot sun; and,
they mandated that accidental expression of the contents be prevented;
and and they required child-proof caps, all of which Blitz engineered
into the gas can.
But, the government didn't mandate consumer ease of use.
Neither did Blitz design to any reasonable consumer use model.
The result is that Blitz engineers designed a gas can that holds
gasoline *in*; but Joe Consumer can't easily get that gas *out*.
In a followup post, I'll describe what I think may be the engineer
foibles that resulted, which I know many of you know full well.
I'm also well aware of the common workarounds to the problem,
which I will mention later; but if you know of better solutions,
now would be a good time to suggest them. The best solution of
all, would be a replacement cap - so if you know of one, please
let us know where to get it.
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:20:01 +0000, Danny D wrote:
The few Blitz portable gasoline containers I own hold gasoline
*in* without losing an ounce by weight even after a full year
in the blazing sun, it's almost ridiculous how difficult it is
to get that gasoline *out* of the poorly designed Blitz gas can!
A quick way to show how well the can holds the gasoline *in*, is
simply to take two cans from the cool windowless shed, as I did
just now, and put one in the sun and leave the other next to it,
in the shade, for a few minutes (this was after about ten min):
Bear in mind, both those portable gasoline containers are
holding a full 5 gallons, and they still balloon outward in
the sun. When they're a quarter full or less, they basically
blow over in the wind like a beach ball rolling about.
It should be clear that the Blitz cans are designed only to
keep the gasoline *in*, but that no attention whatsoever was
made to making it easy for the consumer to get the gas *out*.
For example, pour spout manipulation requires two hands alone:
The problem with that is we're talking five gallons of gasoline,
which you can't hold high in the air with your pinky while you're
refueling a standard-sized automobile. So, in effect, you need
three hands (two to defeat the buttons, the other to fight gravity).
Worse yet, your third hand will be holding those five gallons for
a long time, because there is no external vent. The internal vent
only allows the gasoline to trickle out.
You'd think these handles conspicuously molded into the can would
be helpful under these circumstances, but only the top handle is
of any use whatsoever when there is any appreciable gas in the can:
(If you don't believe me, try to use that handle & report back):
Of course, the only logical solution is to remove the button
(which the manufacturer designed expecting you to do just that):
And Youtube videos exist showing where to drill the 1/2-inch
hole to vent the gasoline can (again, where the manufacturer
left conspicuously thick knowing full well that's what you'd do):
Since nobody on this planet can stand the pour spout, most of
the time you just remove the spout in its entirety and just pour
or siphon out of the open mouth of the can.
That means you'll be removing the cap a lot - so - again, the
manufacturer made it painfully obvious what you have to do in
order to make cap removal even close to palatable:
True to the design goal of keeping gasoline *in* the can, even
if you tilt the can fully upside down, and do the Harlem Shake,
you'll still *never* get all the gas *out* of the can!
Would one of the engineers on this group explain *how* it can
be that the spout isn't at a point where *all* the gasoline
comes out when you fully invert the gasoline can???
The result of this inexplicable design flaw is that the trapped
gasoline vaporizes such that it all leaks out into the
atmosphere the moment you remove the spout to refill the can.
While we're discussing engineering fixes, a little known yet
very serious flaw in the Blitz spout design is that this spot
tends to develop a circular crack, within only about a year of
use, which again, allows all the gasoline to leak into the
While common workarounds exist (e.g., remove the button, cut
off the ratchet lock, add a tire valve vent, etc.) the one
workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless,
is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap?
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote:
I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but,
if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap,
we'd all benefit.
Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can?
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:54:13 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
This is interesting because it provides for a second vent opening.
That would be plan B, if I can't find a plain Jane gas cap to fit.
Since I siphon, I don't really need to pop a vent hole; I just need
a plain gas cap.
So, plan A is a gas cap source for the Blitz USA gas cans.
Plan B, if no cap can be found, is that nice spout you just found!
Thanks for the helpful information!
On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:45:45 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
I see them! I will call tomorrow to see if they fit the Blitz cans.
I'll say I'm from Kansas, or some other non-nanny state!
PS: Let's hope the 'gubament doesn't see this!
I had a few older gas cans lying around and none fit the California
2011 & 2012 Blitz cans I have, so that's why I'm leery also.
However, I'll order a dozen of the B4 caps ($5 + shipping) to see
if they fit & report back when they arrive.
They are available in some retail stores as well as online. I picked
mine up at a Tractor Supply. Might want to check that avenue first, they
list the retail stores on the site.
On the ones I have I measured up the original spout and discovered the
new ones were the same as far as the seal and seat area, the hole in the
cap was the same as well. Bit of surgery later and the new spout was
secured with the old cap retainer ring.
The newest can I have is one of the dopey lever style and the yellow
ring included did fit it, but the original had a locking tab.
You could also do what I used to do to have a plain cap, cut a piece of
stainless with a holesaw and use an O ring to seal it inside the
On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:01:28 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
I did try the ezpour retail store finder, but there were none
in California when I looked at your original link.
That's an interesting idea. A circular piece of gasoline-stable
sheet material inside the original spout cap. That might work.
That will be plan C, if the caps I ordered don't actually fit.
PS: I can't be the only one who hates those spouts enough to
find a cap that fits, so, if others have tested various
other cap suppliers - now is the time to report it to the
On Tue, 14 May 2013 10:38:47 -0700, Harry K wrote:
That's exactly been my experience but I had never researched
the caps thoroughly before. I just used the spouts as caps.
But it would really be nice to find the 'right' sized cap.
After speaking to CARB today (Angus 916-445-4686), it looks like
the big four gas can manufacturers in the USA are:
Midwest Can Co. of Melrose Park, Ill.
No-Spill Inc. of Lenexa, Kan.
Scepter Corp. of Scarborough, Ontario
Plastics Group Inc. of Willowbrook, Ill.
Since the Plastics Group apparently bought the Blitz manufacturing
operation for gasoline cans, I'll start with them.
Looks like this is their contact information:
630-325-1210 x295, mdeckard at the plastics group dot net
Some of my 5 gallon plastic gas cans happen to be the same size and
threads of a briggs & stratton lawnmower engine. I swapped them by
accident:( and the sealed cap killed the engine pretty quick.
I have thouggt about replacing my bad caps, 2 lost:( one cracked with
those lawnmower gas tank caps. Although they have a automated vent for
high pressure. I have never been fond of swollen gasoline cans that
look like a over filled balloon:(
On Tue, 14 May 2013 12:33:51 -0700, bob haller wrote:
Bad news on Blitz.
I called the Plastics Group at 630-325-1210 x295
That extension was invalid, but I spoke to a representative who
said *nobody* bought the molds that Blitz used on their gas cans.
The lady (I forgot to get her name) said that all the molds could
be different but they themselves might re-use their own molds for
their Briggs & Stratton engines (she wasn't sure). So that would
explain how a Briggs & Stratton engine can use the same cap threads
as a gas can from The Plastics Group.
Regarding the Blitz manufacturing operation, the lady said nobody
bought the molds because then they'd be subject to the lawsuits;
so, in the end, it looks like there is no way to get a *direct*
The only option left is to see if someone else's threads *fit*
the Blitz gasoline cans. That's going to be left to trial & error.
Now that there are do-it-yourself manufaturing of plastic parts
machines readily available, maybe someone will come up with a design
for a cap with the needed thread dimensions and make it available on
the internet. If they can illegally make crappy-firing guns that way,
they should be able to make a gas can cap, legal or otherwise..
On Tue, 14 May 2013 13:34:35 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I don't disagree.
I have two sources of caps on the way, so I'll run my test.
If we all pitch in where we can, we'll solve the problem.
As far as I can tell (by calling CARB), the cap is perfectly legal
for filling, transportation, and for storage; so it's not a question
It's simply a question of fit.
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