OT: Gas shortage

Depends on whether you are talking aerodynamic "flippers" or "baby west coast" mirrors I guess - and it als depends if it is a relatively low-drag vehicle to start with or a "bill-board on wheels"

Gotta have the display. A few years ago I added a Garmin GPS with a WiFi rearview camera to my '13 F150. It works reasonably well, though it will miss frames so backing up close to things (like my garage door) has to be done very carefully.

I'm not all that interested in a blind spot camera. The warning lights on the mirrors work well. I wish I had them, too. My wife's Mustang has all that stuff. It even has the automatic dimmer that works surprisingly well. People flash their brights at us anyway. The LED headlamps are *BRIGHT*. Her last Mustang had HID lights but they're nothing compared to the LEDs.

Neither you nor I know that answer. *Something* led the VP of Engineering to speculate that the wheel was deformed by the driver. They actually saw the vehicle.

Could just be CYA, but the deformation that they (the company) found indicated the "likelihood that someone was in the driver?s seat at the time of the crash."

Facts matter: It wasn't the occupant*s* that ended in the back seat. One occupant was in the front passenger seat i.e. not ejected.

Keep in mind that the vehicle went over a curb, hit a drainage culvert and a raised man hole cover. With all that bouncing around, The driver could have been bounced into the backseat before they hit the tree.

Over the center console between the front seats and then at some point slid/bounced to the left rear seat where his body was found.

I'm not sure how else to explain the fact that the security camera captured the owner getting into the drivers seat and then ~1/10 mile (550') later he was in the backseat. Granted, I have not seen a timeline of events. Maybe he got in the driver seat at the house, pulled out of range of the camera, stopped, moved to the rear seat and then got the car up to a "high speed" (as per the popo) before the vehicle ran off the road.

I guess that's possible.

As you get older your accomodation goes to Hell. My vision is still

I'm not that lucky. I can still see relatively well at infinity but, along with the presbyopia I developed astigmatisms in both eyes (often another result of the focus mechanism freezing). That's why cheaters don't work either.

People who don't know cars don't really understand how fast a Tesla is. In 800 feet from a standing start a Model S Plaid Plus can be going over 90 mph while a Model 3 can be going over 70.

If you google Tesla S acceleration a few you tubes that pop up can help.

I'm in my 20's, and I surely couldn't stand some kind of display for a side or rear view mirror. No thank you! Wait until those systems start to have issues when the car gets older... good luck.

In my '94 Geo Metro hatch, passenger side mirror was an option that the original owner didn't spring for... it saves 1 MPG, give or take. I haven't been in any kind of a hurry since 2015 to install one... I don't particularly miss it. That being said, lack of driver's mirror or rear view mirror would be an issue.

Yeah, sort'a like an electric golf cart. LOL. I have a friend that has a Tesla and he was not really happy with that comparison but we were at a golf cart repair facility at the time.

I think most of the damage to the car was because of the 4 hour fire.

And that explanation is not an indicator of how fast either is. You described how quick they are.

And while your example may be correct. I seriously doubt the vehicle was going 30 in that neighborhood. There would have been much more front end damage at that speed.

Starting point. ;~)

That something was very likely damage control PR.

I think he was kidding, of course an inside rear view mirror will not create any drag outside the vehicle.

I suspect tongue-in-cheek, if one differentiates between the side mirrors and the "rearview" mirror. The latter only has the potential to add to drag on a convertable.

I posted this link at least 3 times already. Do you not agree with the fire marshal that the "4 hour fire" reports are just a bit misleading?

"Tesla Fire in Texas Crash Was Not How It Was Reported, Says Fire Chief"

So you are speculating that the speed was *less* than 30 MPH?

I guess I should have included a smiley.