OT: Gas shortage

May 13, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 169 Replies

See, that's you speculating that there was no body in the drivers seat, based on unreliable media reports.

NTSB doesn't speculate. They exhaustively analyze all the available evidence, including the black-box, scene and mechanical remains and provide recommendations for how to avoid future such accidents based on a scientifically determined cause.

That's why it takes _months_.

Sure, there was a conman named Jed Rothwell that started a CNF magazine, I'm sure he made money on it.

Must be in the backward looking states, like NY or CA.

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Elijah

------ hadn't thought of that guy for a couple of years

No you want to prove it otherwise I am sure you are capable. But I KNOW that in the USA it is not allowed to use the backup camera as a rearview while driving.

So take your piss poor response and shove it.

You _know_? Do you have a citation to that effect? Actual mirrors are required to be installed but that is different from banning the use of cameras for that purpose. In point of fact Kia provides live view blindspot monitoring on some models, which they would be unable to do if such things were unlawful. Google "Kia Telluride" and read through the features.

You really need to jump into it seems you live to be argumentative.

Current Federal regulation do not allow active display in place of mirror as of August 28 2019.

So Kia if they are doing so might be skirting that Feds.

Now I think it is a silly regulation, reminded every time I get in the truck, look at the rear view mirror, then put it in reverse. But night time driving it might not be optimal, the headlights behind you would probab;ly wash out the display, by overloading the CCD.

IIRC that was what the fireman said when being interviewed at the scene. We got a lot of "when it happened" on local media.

Actually 40 years ago one of our car salesmen rolled a new Toronado 1 mile from the dealership. It burned after he got out, the steering wheel was not a normal shape.

Ram tackled this and IIRC GMC too with an inside rear view mirror that is a mirror and a rear view camera. Apparently there is a toggle switch to go between the two.

No need, just install air shocks. ;~)

The deformation of a steering wheel caused by heat would not be the same deformation as caused by impact.

We don't know what type of deformation Moravy was referring to. For all we know, once the investigation is complete, we may hear that the steering wheel was deformed in 2 different manners. There could be deformation by impact with the driver and then by heat once the fire started.

Deform a plastic cup with a hammer. Now deform a plastic cup with a heat gun. I'll bet that the difference will be very clear even to those untrained in forensic investigations.

Now take a third plastic cup and beat it with hammer before you heat it up. I'll bet that it will look different than the other two. That's the type of detail the investigators will (hopefully) be looking for. e.g. a melted steering wheel that is also cracked/bent.

No one is denying that heat could have deformed the steering wheel in the Tesla. However, to note the simple fact that heat can deform a steering wheel and from that conclude that there was no one in the driver's seat isn't valid. It leaves out other possible ways that the steering could have been deformed that might also explain the lack of a body in the driver's seat.

I'm on an auto forum and you'd be amazed as some of the questions asked. How can I play a DVD on the screen? Can I get the Album art to show in the HUD?

Regulations aside, I'm sure the lawyers have a say in allowable distractions. "I didn't mean to run over that kid on the bike but the movie I was watching had a really neat scene I didn't want to miss"

My car has the surround view with four cameras. Cuts out at 12 mph.

Good grief. Any idiot knows a negative can't be proven. You made the claim. Your job.

I see logic isn't your strong suit either.

I don't see what's gained by just substituting a camera/display for a mirror. It would drive me crazy, and probably everyone else over 40. The mirror's image plane would be at infinity, as would the image of the oncoming traffc. The camera/display's image plane would be at the mirror so would take a major refocus. Refocusing is slow, or impossible, for us old farts.

See, that's you speculating that our speculation is based on unreliable media reports.

Is it OK if we "speculate" based on the Harris County Fire Marshal's report?

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My bet is that if you take a plastic cup and subject it to 1000F for an hour, you _won't_ be able to tell the difference.

Please tell that I don't need to explain how ridiculously irrelevant that comment is.

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