So its like this 2 1/2 maple for table legs ripping to 5" wide. Then bang
Five hours in casualty (ER) and three stitches. My glove caught the blade
and slammed my thumb down in the table. I was really lucky not to loose
any real flesh (Nothing like you could get in combat). I have been warned
by a few people about wearing gloves when machining. My question is do
many of you use gloves when planning, ripping or spindle moulding.
Was thinking of trying the gloves without the fingers in them or should I
just give up on gloves altogether?
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Huh??? You've been worn by others not to wear gloves while machining. You
had a mishap because you ignored this advice, and discovered first hand
exactly why others are telling you this. Now you're if you should give up
on the gloves altogether. Just does not make sense to me Connor.
Anything loose or that will otherwise present itself as something that the
tool can grab is a bad combination. Common sense makes it easy to figure
out why. Tight fitting gloves? Well maybe, but I'm not going to say sure.
It's all about how much they present themselves as something to grab. You
also lose sensitivity with gloves on. Gloves with no fingers? Can't say -
it's all about how much they present themselves as something to grab.
Why is it that you feel the need to wear gloves? Skin condition? Allergic
reactions to the wood you use? There could be good reasons to protect your
hands, but even then you're going to need something like a latex or nitrile
glove that fits very tightly. Since you're considering fingerless gloves, I
doubt the above apply.
I do not wear gloves.
Was that the blade that got you or were you badly pinched?
The discussion of gloves came up about a few years back concerning whether a
glove would be pulled into a spinning blade.
I conducted an experiment on a leather fingered and canvas backed glove to
see if it would be pulled into the rotating blade on my TS.
I turned the saw on and pushed the glove into the blade. The blade simply
cut cleanly through the leather finger with out collapsing the finger.
Was your glove torn up? If not something else may have actually happened.
You may want to review how everything happened again, as hard as that might
be. I was not so fortunate 16 years ago and cut off half of my thumb. I
remembered it as a kick back. That was not what happened at all. I got cut
after completing the cut, putting the board down on another table and
turning the saw off.
Your may never realize how fortunate you are. You might want to consider
www.sawstop.com . A contractor version is coming out in the summer of 06.
Yeah. But you have to start somewhere. I would really like to hear back
from him to see what shape the glove is in. I have proven that wearing a
glove is not absolutely going to always cause a problem with a TS blade but
I am still not going to wear a glove to see if that proof plays out the same
again. Same with the SawStop, knowing that the blade will stop if I touch
it does not encourage me to be careless enough that I might touch it again.
Tools with spinning parts that do not cut can be very dangerous with loose
clothing. The planer, lathe, drill press will get loose clothing and pull
Above are a few more pics of the crime scene
So let me see if I get this . . . I think you are all saying DONT wear
Its nice to get such a definitive answer to this thanks people.
This has kept me out of the workshop all weekend darn.
So I will try and enjoy my 39th Birthday Today.
Enjoy the pics Leaon.
You mentioned that you thumb slammed down on to the table. By any chance
was that at the side of the blade? It looks like the glove thumb may have
caught between the side of the blade and the opening in the insert and
unfortunately a blade tooth did the actual cutting. Just guessing there.
Had the tooth come in contact first I think the leather would have simply
been cut and not gotten caught up. That said however had the teeth hit the
glove first you probably would not have been able to stop moving quick
enough to keep your thumb out of the blade.
You were incredibly lucky.
BTY What kind of saw are you using?
Good luck with your recovery and for the next several months rethink your
methods along with keeping gloves out of the mix.
Sorry now I realise my thumb would have slammed into the top on the 2 1/2"
maple not the table my hand was in between the fence and the blade.
Its a Robland X31 with a rip blade in it.
There are rough hide gloves not really soft thin leather.
I never, ever get my hand or my fingers between blade and fence. Too easy to
slip and ...
Actually something nobody else talked about is ripping with a radial arm,
turned 90degrees. It's not the ideal tool for that job, but I actually don't
have a tablesaw of my own (a friend's was resident in my shop for a few years
while he was working in mine & until he built his own shop, but I do very well
indeed with the radial arm and the horrible bandsaw I have).
So: ripping on the radial arm. I've had it pick up an 8' stick and throw it
across the room. If you've got your bare hand on that r/s stick at that time,
you won't like it much. I wear riggers gloves, which are thin leather, tight
fitting that don't interfere much with my ability to feel what I'm doing.
Although, I must say I go nowhere near the blade - I change sides from pushing
to pulling before I get to within 18" of any moving parts.
firstname dot lastname at gmail fullstop com
One more afterthought; after looking at the pictures, when I have
something that size to rip, I will usually cut half way through on one
side, then flip it over and rip it the rest of the way on the other
side. Before ripping, the board is properly face jointed and run
through the planer. Then after sawing, one more trip to the jointer to
clean up the saw marks, or to the drum sander.
Slow learner, are you? There is a reason you were warned not to wear
gloves around machinery. Apparently, one serious injury was not enough
to show you what that reason is. Do you need to actually lose body parts
before you figure it out?
Just to throw some fuel on this fire, have a look at this picture:
Notice anything odd....
No, it's not me. This is Rude Osolnik (RIP: 3/4/1915-11/18/2001).
40 year veteran wood turner and recipient of numerous accolades.
With this submitted, I will have to point out that I don't wear gloves
while working, and most certainly would NEVER wear that wedding ring,
a watch, necklace, or loose clothing around machinery.
But the surest safety measure is to never let your body parts come
into close proximity to a potential problem - and that includes a
realistic consideration of the outside forces of stock kick-back,
binding, blank dismounts, catches, mechanical failure, etc.
You may be "slow", but consider that you may be in good company. ;-)
Well, lots of turners wear gloves -- notice that the gloved hand has an iron
tool rest between it and the moving parts. Keep that hand there, and there's
no danger. I'll bet he doesn't wear that glove while sanding on the lathe.
Wearing gloves while using a table saw, shaper, or jointer is just plain
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Ahh... but the original quote was:
"There is a reason you were warned not to wear gloves around
There was no distinction made for lathes.
Don't misunderstand this as condoning the practice, but everyone has
been relentless in chastising the guy, I thought I'd toss a bone. ;-)
wrote:>>No, it's not me. This is Rude Osolnik (RIP: 3/4/1915-11/18/2001).
I gotta chime in here. Wearing gloves around lathes is like wearing gloves
with the TS. Keep that gloved hand right there and you will be fine with a
Table Saw too. Just because many or most do it that way does not mean that
the danger decreases. Probably more TS users operate with out a guard than
turners that use gloves. That does not make the operation a TS with out a
guard even less dangerous?
You just have to be careful. If you are careful nothing will every happen.
I am always careful, so I don't need any more protection. My carefulness
will always protect me from harming myself. I am never, not careful.
That second paragraph, kinda sounds familiar does it not? How many times
have we read comments like that in this group? Doug I am not making this
reply towards you directly. I am directing this towards all of us that
work with a tool that can harm you. There are thousands of woodworkers that
are much better than us, have been woodworking longer than us, and use more
precautions than us, just not all the time. Often we produce pieces that
are close to perfect. Those better, more experienced woodworkers however
are human just like us and are equally capable of making a mistake, or
having a lapse of judgment, or a senior moment and that unfortunately can
lead to a tragedy of varying degrees. And they just like many of us have
None of us know all the possible ways or situations that can lead to an
unfortunate event. If anyone that operates a tool thinks that he knows and
practices safety enough to keep from being harmed on any particular tool he
simply is not old enough yet. Time has taught many of us that we will not
always be as quick, focused, or intuitive as we have been in the past and
unfortunately we do not always recognize that soon enough. How many times
have one of us posted a picture of one of our injuries, explained what they
were doing when it happened, and some where in the explanation stated that
"I knew better".
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:18:13 +0000 (UTC), with neither quill nor qualm,
The reason insurance is so expensive is that nobody uses any
common sense any more. Going to the ER for a scratch like that
is foolish, IMHO. It cost the insurance company (or your
Socialist country ;) $1,000 for your little cut.
Just a month ago I bandaged a 1/2" wide x 1/8" deep cut on the
tip of my finger. (I hit a coffee can lid with the tip of my right
index finger when going to recycle the cans and cardboard box.)
Luckily, the bone stopped it at only 1/8".
I immediately cleaned it out in lukewarm water, wrapped it until
it slowed its gushing of blood, put some Bacitracin on it, and put a
cloth bandaid in butterfly fashion over it. I kept it dry and
redressed it daily with bacitracin. In a week, I removed the bandaid
and had a usable finger again. A month later, I can't find the scar
without looking very closely.
The cut I got would have taken several hours and received 8-10
stitches in the ER and cost me over $1,000. The treatment I gave to
myself cost less than a buck and took ten minutes. By using common
sense, I didn't have to waste anyone's money or my time. The human
body knows how to repair simple problems such as this. Just clean the
wound, apply an antibiotic, and dress it. Keep it clean and it heals
C'mon, people. Use your frackin' heads for once! Global health care
systems are overloaded due to nonsense like this. (see sig)
Gloves and moving machinery are a BAD combination. They always have
been and always will be. They will pull your hand/fingers into the
rotating blade very quickly. You should have been taught that by your
father, by friends, and in all shop classes. IOW: You should have paid
attention to the MANY warnings. You're damned lucky you only got a
scratch, Connor. But since you're asking the question about gloves, I
see that you haven't quite learned that lesson yet. I hope you do
before you lose a finger, fingers, or an entire hand.
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly
is to fill the world with fools.
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