What? Were we talking about 28 or 180 yearold people sailing? You are
changing the subject.
Do you have kids? If you do,, did they always make their own decisions with
out any of your input?
Did you "ever" veto their decisions? Why?
I see. So how old would that be?
Answer this. Would you rather you or your child go into a dangerous
And what is so special about sailing that
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 16 year old sailing. Did I say
that a 16 year old sailing was a problem or was that you changing the
landscape of the situation. It's the months on end around the world that
adds the element of danger.
And if you cannot see the point.... it further clairifies your mentality.
Crossing the street only takes seconds of your time to pay close enogh
attention to what you are doing. Sailing alone around the world require
continuious attention. A better example to compair to would be to have
your 16 year old daughter walk alone in a seedy part of town late at night,
every night, for several months.
The subject is that some how "more experience" will allow people to deal
with breaking both arms in the middle of the ocean. If you think that
please explain how someone "older with more experience" would deal with it.
Do you have employees in their forties? Do they always make their own
decisions without any of your input? Did you "ever" veto their decisions?
Doesn't matter how old you are there's always somebody with more "life
experience". If you defer all your decisions until you are the one who has
the most life experience then you don't do _anything_.
Answer this--if you child enlisted in the Marines would you be having this
kind of tantrum over it?
And yet you're raising this huge hue and cry over it.
So what is the problem then?
I see. So how long should a 16 year old be allowed to sail? Minutes?
I see the point just fine. The point is that you're a busybody who wants to
tell complete strangers how to live their lives.
Which is small consolation to the dead.
And yet hundreds of people have done it and all them spent significant
portions of their voyages not paying attention to anything.
So how old should one be before being allowed to "walk alone in a seedy part
of town"? And would it make a difference if they were boys instead of
girls? And how would being 18 make them safer?
Why don't we put this into terms that your limited intellect can
You're going on a dangerous and life threatening trip. You will be
taking one person with you that is experienced in this type of trip.
You haven't met either one of them before.
All you know is that one of them has five years experience and the
other has twenty years experience in this type of trip.
Which one are you going to ask to accompany you? Pick one and explain
your reasoning for that choice.
I can tell you right now that there are too many variables for him to decide
or he will not understand the question at all.
Because he very seldom has anything to really contribute to the group I did
it to him again, saves space.
And as usual, you tap dance (very poorly I might add) around the fact
that age always gives one experience. A teenager is not fully grown,
not fully mature and simply enough, not as experienced as she or he
might be with a few years of adulthood under their belt. Besides
practical experience which you seem to be focused on, there's
emotional and life experience. Both these things contribute to the
practical decisions that are made. There's your problem and what you
are failing to admit.
*That's* what you're refusing to acknowledge and it's exactly that
fact that shoots down any premise that you can offer for this girl to
be fully competent on this lark of a voyage.
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:41:55 -0500, the infamous firstname.lastname@example.org
scrawled the following:
So what are your qualifications for persons considering
circumnavigation, Uppy? I'd like to hear them.
It doesn't seem that anyone has them, listening to you 3 naysayers.
I'm an AGWK skeptic, you three are circumnavigation skeptics. Small
The greatest fine art of the future will be the making
of a comfortable living from a small piece of land.
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:44:00 -0800, Larry Jaques .
Not once have I stated that she didn't know what she was doing in her
sailboat. The point I've been trying to get across all this time is
that age, maturity and experience all contribute to how one makes
decisions. That's an important factor whether you want to admit it or
I'd flip a coin. What the one person has done in five years may be far
superior to the person that has been exposed to this type of trip for 20
years. The more years experience "usually" translates into being better
equipped in a tough situation, but sometimes youth and agility work better
than wisdom and creaky joints. Too many variables here to pick a clear
Flip a coin eh? Bullshit! Your life is going to be on the line. As
well, you're adding variables to change the equation. Nice attempt,
making the 35 person sound weak and incapable, but that's just you
changing the equation.
IF it helps you, both are in excellent health and the 35 year old has
much more accumulated experience. Which are you going to pick now?
I know one thing. If I had to choose a companion for circumnavigation I'd
take Abby Sunderland or Jessica Watson over Leon any day. And I'd take
Abby's 18 year old brother over _anybody_ on this newsgroup.
Does the 5 year person have 5 years experience or 1 years experience 5
Does the 20 year person have 20 years experience or 1 years experience
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