On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:15:23 -0800 (PST), the infamous
I received a Marketing Research Discount coupon from Pop Wooddorking
the other day. $15.96 for 2 years. Some of the projects looked
interesting (Stickley repro, Odate dining table, Charlsworth stuff),
and I get a digital copy of Roy Underwood's school thang. then I saw
the "Add $2 for shipping and handling" note and wanted to scream.
Anyway, 2 years of a woodworking mag for under $20 was a good deal so
I took it. I emailed to find out when it would start. "Oh, it'll take
4-6 days to process and then you'll get the next issue, probably APRIL
2010. <thud> <grumble grumble>
What helps luck is a habit of watching for opportunities, of
having a patient, but restless mind, of sacrificing one's
ease or vanity, of uniting a love of detail to foresight, and
of passing through hard times bravely and cheerfully.
-- Charles Victor Cherbuliez
I have had bad luck with subscriptions. Two magazine went out of business
and one converted to an impossible to read digital format. The other
subsituted a far inferior magazine.
Another never went through and since it went through paypal, the wait time
to recieve the magazines was beyond their period to protest. So I got
screwed out the money on that one.
And everybody said it would take up to four months to recieve the first
I bit that bait also... and the $2 extra is BS. Do they think we are
stupid???? Apparently so.... Just say $17.95 and quit trying to trick us.
They sent me a DVD last spring and I tossed it, then they wanted me to pay
for it, which I gave them no response to for any of the 3 or 4 follow up
letters. I clearely added to my coupon to not send any thing that I do not
order unless they are giving it away.
UNLESS, and this is the big one, Unless as part of the subscription
these "offers" were authorized. Then you owe for them or are
responsible to return them. In some cases when you subscribe you
promise to buy a minimum of X of their offers for whatever their
"special" price is over a given period of time.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:26:35 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well, the scum that run Woodworkers Journal/Rockler sent me a DVD recently,
which, like Leon, I also
tossed away unopened. I've also had several bills sent. I have had nothing to
do with WWJ/Rockler
for about 3 years, which is when they tried this same scam for one of their
books. Back then I
ended my subscription to WWJ, and have not purchased a single thing from them or
Rockler chain stores since. At the best, they are using shady business tactics,
at the worst it is
an out and out scam. No "authorized" offers here.
There are other magazines and woodworking vendors who will ethically supply my
On the plus side, this attempt to bamboozle me has given me a new hobby. I now
try to convince
every woodworker I meet to avoid spending a nickel with the Rockler/WWJ
organization. If, over a
period of the next few years, I manage to convince a few hundred people to
spend their money
elsewhere, I will feel I succeeded.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:15:23 -0800 (PST), " email@example.com"
In summary, how cold can you use common woodworking glues?
Titebond I will only set up if the temperature is 50 degrees F or more
Titebond II, 55 degrees
Titebond III, 47 degrees
Titebond liquid hide glue, 50 degrees
Titebond Polyurethan, 50 degrees
Gorilla Glue Polyurethane, 40 degrees
Gorilla Glue PVA, 50 degrees.
I've tried TB II at around 47 degrees. I found it took much longer
than the normal 30 minutes to set up.
Some epoxies will work in the 40-50 degree range, but take much longer
to set up.
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