Ok, let me state at the outset that I like his shows. I'm sure many of
you also appreciate him. I don't want what I'm about to say to be
thought of as a slam of him in any way, and I am not wanting to start an
argument of any sort!
Here goes: Last night, as I was watching him interview Krenov "it"
finally struck me. His delivery is stilted, like when a non-actor is
required to stand in front of a camera to recite some lines of dialog.
He seems to always be reciting, from memory, his lines, with no true
feelings imparted to the dialog. Norm, on the other hand, always seems
totally natural when speaking to the camera.
I've been able to tune in to his shows for only the past few months. I
think he does a credible job of presenting the projects that have been
selected for broadcast. Certainly none of that "and a few brads to hold
it until the glue dries" mentality!
Do any of you also find David's delivery "forced" and unnatural?
I will continue to search the DIY channel listings for his shows and
tune in to any that I've not seen before.
I recently started watching him also. Completely different style than
Nahmmy. I like the projects that I have seen him build thus far. Nahm only
makes antique reproductions, Mark seems to make more modern pieces.
I will agree with you that Marks style on camera is a little "rough", but I
think he has a LOT to offer. I will DEFINITELY continue to watch Mark and I
also look forward to Nahmmy's next season.
Yes, I do, too. But I talked to him at a show last year and found him to
be a nice, normal person. He said that the producers have some strong
opinions about what he says and he often finds himself saying things in
a way he would never do if he could choose. That especially applies to
many of the puns and jokes that he uses. He said that some of that stuff
is just plain embarrassing.
But I sure like his show. His work is beautiful.
Your discussion with him bears out my perception then; he IS awkward
with the dialog. Too bad he isn't given full control over the content.
Now that I know he is on 204 (DIY), I check the schedule each day in
order not to miss his show; his work is an inspiration. I especially
liked the mirror frame episode last week. I chuckle when he runs a
piece over his aircraft carrier deck...ahem...jointer, or uses his other
out-of-the-average-woodworker's price range and/or space limitations
equipment. Drooling is required when watching his show. <g>
Jane & David wrote:
TiVo gives you a lot more control of your television viewing. And you can
fast forward through the 'Ed the Plumber' promos, which are MUCH more
embarrassing than DJM pun recitations... Check with your cable or sat
provider for a combined, better integrated, better priced deal.
DJM did a show or two where he gave a 'shop tour' of the tools and their
roles. He said that most of those tools were acquired used, when the right
opportunity came along, and rebuilt or tuned up. (OK, so not the big OneWay
lathe.) I do envy him that much shop space. SWMBO is beginning to consider
that we need much bigger studio facilities...
On Sat, 21 May 2005 18:53:58 -0700, the inscrutable Jane & David
Isn't it, though? I've seen him adlib and his speech is not canned at
all then. He just reacts to the restrictions placed on him by the
directors, producers, and maybe a goombah cameraman. ;) They probably
made him revert to long sleeves to cover his large forearm tattoos.
Yes, I love the show (the only thing worth watching on DIY) and his
work. I'd like to meet the man.
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We're talking with Mr. Frugality here, Corporate Spokesmodel for Harbor
That, and he's a bit reluctant to return to LoCal for some mysterious
reasons, after escaping to Oregon.
All signs of apparent sanity, to me.
I think what you're describing may be due to
having a director trying to get what he needs
for a half hour show. Mr. Marks in person
covering a subject in front of an audience of
woodworkers is pretty relaxed and comfortable.
Not as mellow as Michael Fortune, not as
intense as Mark Adams but not as marginally
terrified as Yeung Chan.
It's the medium and the format that may be
the cause. It's hard to stay relaxed and
informingly informal under a bunch of hot
lights with a boom microphone waving just
above your head, eight or ten people around
you just off camera doing all kinds of things
- including holding a stop watch and a
Some people are more comfortable in a
defined and controlled environment and
others are better a free form, free for
all "we'll start here but after that ..."
If you want to watch one of the best
on camera or off, get any Frank Klausz
video and watch it. But then much of
it is probably by rote - he went through
the traditional european apprenticeship
and has had the information stuffed
into his genetics makeup.
Good points, Charlie. I sure wouldn't be relaxed under those
conditions; in fact I'd probably freeze like Garth did when their show
went mainstream in Wayne's World. <g>
BTW, David's interview with Krenov was the highlight of his shows as far
as I'm concerned. The guy's a living legend, and no wonder. David
seemed pleasantly relieved that he correctly guessed the wood species
that Krenov (or maybe it was Art Carpenter?) quizzed him about.
charlie b wrote:
TV is a very difficult medium to look good on, particularly when you
are dealling with a show that has to fit into half an hour with three
commercial breaks with trailers and recaps at each break.
The main problem seems to be when he does a voice over, he looks pretty
stiff except when he is doing some woodworking.
Someone posted saying that he blames the jokes on the producers, sounds
to me as if they are trying to get him to copy Norm's act. Its the
director's job to make the actor feel comfortable and give a natural
performance, it sounds to me as if the director is incompetent.
breathless at times.
Norm does not attempt to do work in a particular style, Marks does.
This has advantages and disadvantages. There is almost nothing that
Marks does that I could use in my current house which is a 1900 dutch
colonial. Almost everything Norm does would either work as is or could
be adapted for some part of the house.
The other constraint is the SWMBO factor, the Marks stuff does not
appeal to her, Norm stuff is much more likely to.
The original idea behind Norm's show was to get people doing woodwork,
Marks might have that idea but I don't think the producers do. Norm
deliberately uses a range of materials over each season which is very
useful if you are thinking about doing the maple sideboard in teak and
can watch the program where he is making stuff in teak and find out
that it wrecks your jointer knives etc. Marks on the other hand uses a
much more limited range of mostly exotic, mostly solid woods and rarely
uses any finish other than tung oil.
Of course Norm having by now made everything there is to make out of
plywood, he has gone for bigger projects of late and this season did a
lot of antique reproductions where the wood alone would cost several
thousand dollars. I was somewhat surprised that he made the mahoghany
dining table out of solid wood, a veneer top would be much more
economical and add considerably to the piece. Of course this is just
about the one woodworking skill that Norm seems to avoid while Marks
thinks nothing of getting out his vaccum bag and cauls.
It was good to see Norm show some more range this year. I suspect that
there was quite a bit held back, to keep to the 'New Yankee' image, both
budget and presumed viewer skill set. But after these decades, we've most
of us learned quite a bit, Norm included.
It was nice that he got to strut a little bit.
Good question, I haven't tried doing it either way or arything like it.
The bag is probably flexible enough and strong enough to get good
clamping pressure with cauls.
I am not so sure about using a domestic vac to create and maintain the
pressure. You can't solve the problem of air leaking back into the bag
by having a domestic vaccum pumping continuously, well you could but I
don't think the motor would last very long.
I did a google but couldn't see any comments.
Here's DJMs comments on the vacuum press.
Yes but does SWMBO use the amount of pressure required to crush veneer
flat onto a substrate?
OK yes of course she does, and when she packs clothes in a suitcase she
achieves a density only slightly short of neutron star level. But
whether the bag holds at the at level for long enough to glue to dry I
Someone must have tried using a space bag, but I couldn't find an
example when I googled.
As far as cost goes though, you could buy a $600 commercial veneer bag
set up, make the dining table top and still save a bundle over what the
solid mahoghany top would cost you... Even more so if you flogged the
equipment on ebay afterwards.
Ebay creates an interesting new tool dynamic. The cost of tool rental
for a day is exhorbitant, sometimes a quarter of the cost of a tool,
but if you only need it once it is cheaper. Ebay means that you can
justify the cost of the tool with SWMBO as being cheaper than renting
since you could in theory sell it again on Ebay, or at least you can in
theory in practice SWMBO will point out eventually that you never do
sell the tool afterwards and moreover one does not have a degree in
rocket science from MIT to work that out.
I'm always worried about the potential lawsuits if the catches give way
while the marijuana dog is sniffing it!
I don't either. I'm tempted to snag one of the bags and give it a try.
I've tried that angle. Doesn't work. Response precisely as you stated
"but you never do ...". Usually followed by reciting a list of the stuff
that I "could always sell later on ebay ..." and is still on the
Ah but that means that you must have succeeded with this strategy in
the past. My SWMBO does have a degree in rocket science from MIT so I
don't even get to try it the first time.
Have you tried the 'it turned out to be much more useful than I
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