$800 for the Leigh FMT. Plus you have to have a router to use with
it. Plus an assortment of bits is $100-200? Domino is $660 plus $30,
$29, $28 for the extra 10mm, 8mm, 6mm cutters. Plus $65 for the loose
tenons in various quantities of the sizes. Its more money to start
from scratch with the FMT.
Domino can put the mortises in the right place too. Just takes
seconds. Pick up the tool, put it where you want it and a couple
seconds later you are putting loose tenons and glue into the joints.
I'll make the not very bold prediction that the Leigh FMT will
disappear from the catalogs and marketplace in a year or two because
its small extra versatility over the Domino comes at such a high setup
cost in time that people will not buy the FMT.
The Domino cuts acceptable, usable joints in seconds. Not minutes.
That time advantage is a real measurable advantage. If you can end up
with an acceptable joint in seconds, why take minutes or hours to
achieve the same or similar result? Lots of woodworkers get pleasure
from actually completeing a project and using it. The Domino helps
No. The Domino can make ANY size mortise for width and length. Its
only limitation is depth. 28mm deep is the maximum. To cut a dado
clear across a board just slide the Domino along. To cut a mortise
from the top to the bottom of a board, just move the fence up or
down. I guess there could be a limitation for height of the mortise
since the fence only has about 2-3" of travel. You could easily get
around this fence limitation by just clamping a board across the piece
and resting the bottom of the Domino on the clamped board. 28mm
mortise depth is the only limitation.
And the 28mm depth is probably not correct. Once you cut the mortise
28mm deep, you can easily take a router with a bearing guided top
bearing and plunge cut the mortise much deeper. I am sure CMT and
Jesada and all the other router bit makers sell 10mm diameter top
bearing guided pattern bits. This does take a minute to put the bit
in the router and set the plunge depth to say 2.5" and then a second
or two to put the bit into the hole and plunge cut it. But if you are
only making extra deep mortises once in awhile, its still very quick.
And the Domino already cut the original mortise for the pattern in
FMT does make integral tenons in addition to the mortises. But if you
are willing to use loose tenons, then having integral tenons is not an
advantage. And once the loose tenon is glued into the mortise, its an
integral tenon. Using loose tenons does make piece sizing much
easier. No need to figure tenon length and add that to the pieces you
cut. Just cut the finished length of the piece and you are done.
Join with loose tenons. In another post I think someone mentioned
using the Multi Router almost exclusively to cut mortises, not to cut
integral tenons. I would guess most people who use the Multi Router
or FMT frequently fall into the pattern of using loose tenons for
almost everything due to its simpler, easier method.
The FMT can do more. So can the Multi Router. So can the European
slot mortisers mounted onto jointer/planer combination machines, or
the stand alone versions of slot mortisers. All cost more. Multi
Router and stand alone slot mortiser many, many times more. All
require far more setup time. All can cut much deeper mortises. The
FMT and Multi Router can also cut integral tenons.
If 95+% of your mortise and tenon joinery can be handled by 2" loose
tenons (1" glued into each piece) and these mortises can be cut in
seconds with no more setup time required than drawing a pencil mark
and moving the Domiino fence up or down, I don't see much of a future
for the FMT, Multi Router, or slot morttisers.
If you own neither the Domino or FMT or Multi Router or slot mortiser
for your jointer/planer machine and want a machine to cut your
mortises, which will you pick? $1000 roughly for the FMT or Domino or
slot mortiser for jointer/planer, or $2500 for Multi Router. The
others can all do more with considerably more setup time required. 95+
% can be done with the Domino in seconds. Do you buy a tool that does
everything with considerable setup time, or buy a tool that does 95+%
with no setup time? And if you have the Domino for 95+%, would you
spend an extra $1000 for the FMT to get that other 5%?
A few months ago I decided I would get joint cutting machines.
Dovetail was easy. Either the Leigh D24R or the new Omnijig coming
out in a few months. Have not bought one yet, but its between these
two for dovetails. Also decided I needed a mortise and tenon
machine. I have a tablesaw and dado blade so cutting tenons on the
ends of pieces is easily done. Mortises are a bit harder. And loose
tenons eliminates the need to even use the table saw and dado blade to
cut integral tenons. machines considered were the FMT and the slot
mortiser for jointer/planer combination machines. I was/am
considering one of these from Hammer, Felder, MiniMax. Cost of FMT is
$800+router+bits. Cost of slot mortiser for Hammer j/p combo is
$800+bits. Of these two my choice was the slot mortiser. Then the
Domino came along. My choice now is the Domino. It has advantages
because you can take it to the work and work on round and curved
pieces without jigs and setup. Its also so much faster. And if I do
not get the j/p combo but go with separate jointer and planer, it
still works while the slot mortiser for the j/p combo needs the j/p
combo first. I have not spent the money yet on the dovetail or
mortise fixture so I'm still thinking, wishing, dreaming, talking, etc.
I have been using the beadlock system for mortice/loose tenons in my
opinion it works great. and the money i saved can buy a nice 14"
bandsaw. am i missing something or do you guys just have money coming
out of the wazoo?
How quickly can you make mirtises in the two pieces to be joined with
the Beadlock system? Why did you need to buy a Beadlock system to
drill mortises? Why not just use a drill press and fence? Can you
make a mortise with the Beadlock in the center of a board? How about
mortises besides just 3/8" and 1/2"? How much setup time is required?
It looks like the Beadlock would work pretty well. But its not nearly
as quick as the Domino. The quickness, lack of setup time is what
sets the Domino apart from about anything else. All of these tools,
jigs, fixtures are supposed to aid in the cutting of joints by making
it quicker or more precise than by hand or another way. Beadlock
takes the place of a bit and brace used to drill out the mortise and a
chisel to clean it up so its rectangular. Domino does the same thing,
it substitutes for other methods. Leigh dovetal jig D24R takes the
place of handcutting dovetails with a saw and chisel.
Pretty quickly, in the time it takes to drill 8 holes gor both pieces, 4
Why did you need to buy a Beadlock system to drill mortises?
It is faster and more accurate than a dedicated mortiser.
Why not just use a drill press and fence?
It is portable like a dowling jig. Esentially it is a doweling jig. It can
be placed most any where, where as a drill press has its limitations.
IIRC no, so that would be 2 less than the Domino offers.
How much setup time is required?
Little to none. How much set up time does a doweling jig take.
Correct, not as quick as a Domino however a Domino probably only saves you
10 minutes for 20 mortises.
You don't understand... it is a piece of art. An instrument! A
creative device!!!! It wiggles and it whirls, it has a cord, a fence,
and, and, and, makes cool sounds..andandnand LOTS of sawdust...and
nobody else has one yet... and it is tres cool, yo! It is a MUST
"THOUSAND BUCKS, son.."..."take it or leave it."
Personally, I'm waiting for the laser model... IF.. I can wait that
long.. I'm starting to shake a little... abit itchy here and there..
oooweee... a chill...now a hot-flash...wowsers...
DAMN YOU FESTOOL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Whatever you do, DO NOT touch the tool! <G>
It'll stick like an aluminum flagpole to your tongue in 15F weather!
Texans and Arizonans can email me directly for an explanation. <G>
New Englanders, Cheeseheads, Canadians, and those who have seen "A
Christmas Story" will understand completely...
I saw a demo. I'm not insulting them, but I actually have no desire to
Seems like it would have a lot of the same problems a biscuit cutter
would. I tried making face frames with the little biscuits, and it was
a lot more frustrating than using a Kreg. And I don't see how it would
be faster than a Kreg, because you're going to have to be real careful
to line up your pencil marks and hold the Domino just right (or build
a jig).. just like a biscuit cutter.
I can see the advantage in an application where you're going to make a
loose tennon anyway. But in the types of projects I do, I see the
Domino being just as good as a biscuit cutter sometimes and inferior
to pocket screws.
Tell me what I'm saying that is wrong.. I just see this thing being a
PITA for face frames and other Kreg applications.
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