Ill take a look at the impact, but seriously, I thought for sure I would
add it when it came out but that was before I actually used the T15
drill. After using the T15 for several jobs including driving a few
hundred 3" torx deck screws I may not get one. The T15 is truly much
stronger and has much more torque than the Makita that it replaced.
I am not sure about the router table, I don't have a Festool router yet
and the table is probably designed for that particular router. My Bench
dog router table and Triton router work very well together, for now. ;~)
LOL, Ok now I will never again admit this but I sanded with my Rotex
thinking it had paper on it. It did not. No worse for wear.
The pads will poop out though, usually the whole hook side will separate
from the foam part of the pad. You will for sure know when that
I can remember years ago in a discussion on how we both loved our PC
block sanders I think the 333 or something like that. No dust
collection so always a mess. When I first got my Rotek sander I had
to keep feeling the surface to be sure it was working. There wasn't
any sawdust. Should have listened to you on the Rikon bandsaw.
Unfortunately broke my foot on the day I got it so I still have it.
I still have one that functions pretty well. I broke mine unloading
tool and parts boxes without help so I could go pick the Rikon up.
Tried to slide it down a 2x8 out of the pickup and the board slid too.
Gravity was faster then me. That was a painful afternoon. Fortunetly
it had a lifting eye and I had a boom truck at home. Got it in the
shop and called it a day. That's a heavy table to drop on your foot
you were lucky.
> ;2916596']Festool had a booth at the show and I was prepared to shell
> out the bucks for a domino had they offered a show discount.
> When I ask the guy running the booth about show discounts,
> his exact words were "You have to be kidding, I pay retail"
> A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse
Hello everyone, i am the one reffered to as the "Festool Guy " at the
2012 IWF show, just to clear a few things up, i was not working for
festool or 'Tools for Working Wood: Welcome'
(http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com ) who actually paid for the booth, im
a cabinet builder who was subcontracted out by toolsforworkingwood in
effort to show how much they as a retailer care about you as a client
that they are willing to shell out upwards of 10k to demo tools for you
and answer most questions to the best of their ability, they have
invested tons of time and effort into creating the conveniance of a
mobile site but without loosing the personal touch of a family ran
establishment, how many other retailers can you say the same for? With
that being said all the tools you saw at my booth were tools that belong
to me, minus a few sanders and the router table, i paid full retail
price for these tools hence my statement...now as far as your comment
about having a show special, festool just like any other company doesnt
want to start giving discounts because they dont want to devalue their
tool, they want you to base your decision of where to buy not by how
much of a discount you can get but by how good the dealer is, their
knowledge of the tools and their customer service... Try calling amazon
and asking them if you can use a 1/4" collet in your 2200 router, their
honest opinion about the surefix.... I have been to dealerships who have
one employee that was sent to festool training who is a total burnout
and cant even answer which sandpaper to use on bare wood. Now in my
opinion when your spending 600 bucks on a dust extractor i would love to
have someone tell me why its worth that 600, tell me its features and
benefits and how it is intergradable with other festool products and
even other brand tools... Rather than hearing here it is, on /off, 600$
so you want it? sales aspect aside, what about the aftermath? Yes all
festools are built solid with the best of parts and most likely you will
not need repairs or service but if something does go wrong festool is
there and they always have been in my experiance, you call, they have
answers, they will send you parts, the guy you speak on the phone with
will most likely be the same guy that will be working on your machine.
then we have the tool price it self, development, testing, marketing
etc... Makita and dewalt ripped off festool tracksaw, would i buy either
those brands? Absolutely not, for a few reasons, one they are still POS
tools made in china with inferior parts. Once the prices go down so does
everything else along with it, as a cabinet builder the only time i can
drop my price is if i use cheaper materials because my labor will not
change, so i most likely will thank you and walk away from the project
because i refuse to put my hard work into an inferior end product, if
you want to compete for jobs with the laborers that stand in front of
big box stores you might as well stick to buying tools from those same
stores as well.
You make a good point, but there is one thing that still bugs me. Not
just Festool, but many others like them.
I agree that it takes a lot of overhead to properly stock, display,
demonstrate, etc. and you deserve to make a fair profit. You must make
profit to stay in business and serve customers in the future.
No one, IMO, has the right to tell you how much to sell your goods
for. If the MSREP is $600, if you provide exceptional service maybe
you can get $630. But if you want to sell it for $550, that is your
Try calling amazon
And they expect me to pay that twit full retail price?
If I've done my research, perhaps that is all that is needed. To be
fair, I won't take an hour of your time at the full price dealer and
then go to the discounter to buy and save a few bucks. That is
unethical, yet done every day. I don't know how to stop it.
FWIW I have never heard a Festool retailer complain about the fixed
pricing structure. The never loose a sale to someone selling for less.
It saves and protects them from spending time with you and loosing the
sale to someone selling cheaper. That eventually degrades the brand.
Few to none of the once great brands we all know has the quality
reputation that Festool enjoys. No retailer wants to sell for less,
that cuts into profits and means he will not offer you as much in
service. The fixed pricing is good for the retailer and for you. The
retailer makes his profit and you rest assured that the price you pay at
your favorite dealer is the best price available.
And then when you actually buy the tool and use it the cost of the tool
some how seems to be justified and you generally don't give it a second
This might be the reason that those that complain about the cost of
Festool and don't actually use the product complain. They think that
they are going to get the same product as the brand X tool which they
paid significantly less for.
Yes, I forgot about those exceptions. They can be annoying, especially
when not much time has passed since the warranty period ran-out. That
reminds me of a microwave oven that I carried in and left on the floor
at Sears. They told me I couldn't leave it there, but I showed them they
were wrong. I was disgusted.
I try to avoid learning why cheap tools are cheap. I'm not a fanatic
though! Having used lesser, to me my DeWalt router is a fine tool! : )
I am the OP of this thread, I was not angered nor offended
by your statement to me at IWF, nor were you rude, it was just odd
that you were so blunt. OK, you're a cabinet maker and not a slick
tool salesman. I have been known to be blunt myself.
No offense taken and I hope none given.
The main point was that Festool gives "no one" discounts.
I do understand the value of Festool products an there pricing
structure, hence my asking about discounts, if I had happened up
on the one time in history that an individual Festool product was
discounted, I would have bought then in place of waiting.
I buy what I can justify, either from sheer desire or from actual
need to produce, I can justify a domino on both counts.
By the way the domino xl is a helluva machine.
I noticed that you were posting from diybanter, why not get a real
newsreader and join us.
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