Then buy the Craftsman line, not the other shit line that you must be
associating with Craftsman. Their hand tools are excellent and a great
value. The replacement policy is great and the selection is too. I
used them as a mechanic for many many years and only replaced 5-6 at the
very most. Still use them and still have them. You sound like one of
the typical tool gatherers who frequent this forum and do nothing but
bitch about Sears products.
I have to agree with Al on this one. Craftsman hand tools are junk.
I used to think they were good too until I used some Mac and Snap-On
hand tools. Believe me, there IS a difference.
The Craftsman guarantee doesn't help much when you loose an hour to
return and replace the broken tool. $40 lost wages to replace a
$10-$20 tool doesn't make sense.
Um like the Mac, Matco, or Snap-On truck is going to be on the spot when
you break one of their tools? I admit the more expensive tools feel better
when turning wrenches all day long but if you get the better polished
Craftsman you would have a hard time telling the difference.
As an ex professional mechanic, I will say I hate snap simply for their high
polish, slippery tools. If you work with your hands all day, you could about
grab a cactus without problems. Last thing you need is something slippery. I
like ratchets and breaker bars with big sharp knurling and wrenches with a
large, fat cross section. Snap-On ratchets have those small, slick handles
and their wrenches are thin and oval. Great designs to slip and hurt
yourself. Alright for working on cars I guess where you really don't have to
put much effort into anything but lousy for the big stuff.
I like the high polish on Snap-on (easy wipe-down) but I agree that
they're too slippery. Th ewrnch handles are too oval, not flattened
enough to stop them rotating in your hand. My sockets are Snap-on, but
the ratchets and wrenches are Facom.
I worked as a die-maker and had the blue callouses to prove it. (Yes,
blue. But that's another thread for another newsgroup.) Some things need
a light touch (or a smaller tool with guts), some things need a 3' breaker
bar and a 12 pound maul. Snap on makes 'finesse' hand tools and gutsy air
wrenches. I don't recall seeing a maul in their catalog. But I had one to
go with the 5# and 3# dead blow hammers in my lower drawer and the 3'
crowbar hanging from my pull-around handle.
I'm not saying the Mac or the Snap-On truck is always there. What I
am saying is that their tools break far less often.
As an example: I tried to break loose the rusted phillips head screws
on some trim moulding by holding the screw driver in the screw head
and hitting the screw driver handle with a hammer. The first attempt
ruined the Craftsman screw driver. Another mechanic loaned me his
Snap-On. I finished the job with his screw driver and it still looked
as good as it did when he loaned it to me. I never bought another
Craftsman tool since
Your mileage may vary.
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:02:38 GMT, "Leon"
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:47:47 -0600, Richard Cranium
Craftsman Phillips head screwdrivers are the worst. I was never able
to use one for more than a half dozen screws (sometimes fewer) before
it was significantly degraded.
The first time I put a Klein on a screw I knew I had to buy a whole
new series of screwdrivers (a not insignificant task--I have
screwdriver sets in the shop, in the garage, in the computer room, in
the Explorer, in my electrical pouch, in my geek--TV/phone--bucket, in
my tower climbing belt, and in the radio room).
The only Craftsman tools I own are over 25 years old. When my father
passed on last year, his oldr Craftsman, Williams,Fairmount, and
Thorsan tools added to my own. Afterspending a fews, ok a few weeks,
sorting all them out, all the Tiawan, china, kmart crap left over
got put into a big box to got the auction house.
Keep all the good stuff, no such thing as to many tool, just not
Not commenting on this thread, but the usual Snap-On vs Craftsman
I am not a 'professional'... I buy the tools I like and make enough to
afford the Snap-On when I get the urge to splurge...
I have mostly Craftsman, but have everything else from HF on up...
I hate it when 'pro's tell stories how they broke a Craftsman chrome
socket with an impact wrench...
If I say a 'pro' do that sh$% to my car, I would probably beat
(him/her) senseless with one of my 'cheap' tools....
Calling yourself a pro and giving up examples of non-pro work is
In my opinion, if you aren't wrenching for a Formula-1 or other 'Pro'
racing team, you are just are not...
Richard Cranium wrote:
Ahhh, but consider trying to replace that Snap-On, Mac or Cornwell etc
tool and how long it takes for that guy to come back on his mobile
circuit, vs going to a Sears store (provided you have one in your
locale) to replace it. Snap-On and many others are great tools, but I
found Craftsman to be the best bargain and value, and never once had a
problem replacing one, even when I used a cheater and screwed up a
wrench or broke a socket myself. They were also a whole lot cheaper
than the others.
Richard Cranium wrote:
Are you talking about the line of sockets and wrenches that say
Craftsman on the side, and which are sold at Sears, that have the
sockets routinely fall off the wrenches because the toleralances are
large enough to throw a cat through? The same set where you have to
hold the socket with your fingers while racheting because it takes so
much goddam pressure to "disengage" the ratchet?
Is THAT the line you're talking about? Cause that's the line I have.
Did I buy the wrong line of Craftsman?
You used them as a mechanic for many years. Which probably means you
bought them many years ago, back when they actually were good tools.
Times change, John. Perhaps you haven't?
On 13 Dec 2005 13:02:22 -0800, wood firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well, I'm not a tool gatherer, but more a tool user who found that Sears
Craftsman power tools (mid 1980's to probably about 1995 -- don't have any
experience since then, my momma didn't raise no fool) a) didn't work for
their application without significant tweaking or compensating for tool
shortcomings, and b) were cheap and not "cheap" as in "inexpensive", but
"cheap" as in poorly constructed, throw-away tools that didn't last long or
hold tolerances well.
The fact that I might from time to time warn people away from Craftsman
tools in no way reflects any element of tool snobbery or other attititude
-- it simply seeks to make sure that other people don't throw money away on
a tool for which they will curse the day they laid eyes on it. As someone
else has said, "I'm too poor to buy cheap stuff".
Maybe Sears will turn the corner and change again for the better after
exploiting the Craftsman name and making the phrase "value engineering" a
term of derision. I'll let others be the guinea pigs though, I'm not going
to take that risk.
That paragraph was worth about 25 points. :-) You'll fit in fine in
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
Sears is a retailer, not a manufacturer. The three-digit prefix before
the model number on each Sears-branded item indicates who made it.
Here's a list of the codes:
the model numbers on many of the tools that I refered to begin with 943 or
094 or 43.. depending on how you read their numbers (ie. a 3/8" 1/2" 6 point
socket carries the Sears item number of #0944055 and the mfg number #44055.
This does not correspond to any number on that web page.
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