Re: Craftsman tools are just fine,

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:27:28 -0800, the inscrutable "TeamCasa" spake:

snip >Dave said: >>>Most any Craftsman tool functions better, has higher quality and has a far >>>better warranty coverage/support than anyth>> THAT, sir, is disputable. >> >Go ahead - dispute it. The real downside is that you'll have to shop at HF >to do so. >As for me, I'll pass.

I've had better luck with HF than Searz.

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[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:25:17 -0600, the inscrutable Duane Bozarth spake:

Especially since, AFAIC (and I've BTDT), it's not even -true-.

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[Teamcasa]

Not a chance. Unless, of course, the money was right! The only Craftsman tool I have is an old RAS and after much re-working it cuts perfectly. Would I buy a new one from them, nope. I would say that most of their tools would be fine for the hobbyist or occasional user and a far step better than Larry's Harbor Freight junk.

As a professional mechanic (for 25 years), their hand tools did not hold up, I still own every Snap-On tool I ever purchased.

Dave An affirmed tooloholic.

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[Teamcasa]

"Larry Jaques"

Like what for example?

Dave

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[Tom Watson]

Here's the key to Craftsman tools, Sportsfans:

"If'n it ain't a wrench - don't buy the sumbitch.

See that, simple as pi.

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[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:10:06 -0800, the inscrutable "Teamcasa" spake:

Google my name and sears/crapsman/craftsman for the whole ugly stories.

When I first started shopping HF nearly 30 years ago, I got some real loser items. But once I learned to distinguish super low quality tools and stopped buying those there, I've had only one or two returns. Searz, OTOH, was visited daily by me in the late 70s when I was using their tools professionally (or attempting to use crappy tools professionally) while being employed as an auto mechanic because their tools kept breaking.

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[TeamCasa]

Larry , I learned in 10 minutes that Craftsman tools would not hold up to the daily use required by the professional mechanic. That's why Snap-On, Mac & Mattco tools are sold directly to mechanics. Are you telling me, as a professional mechanic past or present, that Harbor Freight makes better tools than Craftsman? Nonsense. Craftsman tools don't measure up to the standard required by the professional, and by the way, the Sears guarantee expressly excludes professional use, but they are far better than any junk sold at HF.

Dave

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[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:43:08 -0800, the inscrutable "TeamCasa" spake:

I'm saying that after using both stores' tools for 30 years, I have had to return far, far more to Searz than I have to HF, and that includes a few HF tools which were tossed for being useless. My statement that I've had better luck with HF than Searz is the honest to gods truth.

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[Bob G.]

============= No reason to doubt your experience...I just would not place any bets on the average "shade tree mechanic' haveing similar "luck"

I am not a professional mechanic...(too slow)...But I am a guy now in his 60's who has restored more then a few cars over the years AND have

2 grown sons who could not keep their hands out of my tool chests..once they were old enought to "try" to work on their own "wheels"

My Quick solution was to lock my tool chest and fill a second tool chest with wrenches etc from HF.... Chicago/or Pittsburg brands I believe... .

Sorry but Those HF wrenches were close to being classified as disposibles... they served my purpose as I usually ended up doing the work anyway...with my tools...

To be truthful my toolchest is filled with mostly Craftsman tools

BUT all my Impact , line & crow foot wrenches, are Snap -on

scale of 1-10 Harbor Freight ....2 Craftsman ........ 7 Snap On 10

Bob Griffiths

[Teamcasa]

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Other than giving HF benefit of a 2, I agree.

Dave

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[10x]

Always remember, opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one and they usually stink!

I own both Craftsman and numerous other manufacturer's tools. Some with moving parts and some without. There are very few that I have been dissatisfied with, and they were usually the manufacturer's bottom end tools.

Joe

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[Prometheus]

I'll second that. The only non-name brand tools I've got were gifts from the wife, and I'm replacing them all. The DeWalt stuff I've got has never caused me a second's worth of grief- even the cordless drill is still going strong after 4 years of heavy use on the batteries, repeated use out in the elements, some pretty impressive falls off a ladder into the driveway, heavy saturation with drywall dust and even the occasional dousing with muddy water. I'd be willing to bet the other name-brands are just as good, but I wouldn't spend another dime on cheap knock-offs that are "for the home handyman". Too many of my just-about-finished projects have been destroyed by inferior tools breaking on the final cut.

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So far I only have bought a Pittsburg Professional duo-metric impact socket set from HF, but I have a friend who buys all his grinders and drills and cement mixers at HF - and it's all crap!

I still buy Craftsman hand tools at Sears, and I have bought some name brand tools at Sears - I got a great deal on a Milwaukee hammer drill and a Porter-Cable circular saw. I won't buy tools made in China anymore, which leaves almost the entire Craftsman power tool line untouchable. I will buy Craftsman tools - hand tools and power tool accessories - that are made in America. I still have a 3/8" Craftsman drill that is 25 years old and runs great.

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