which new washing machine-to DIY instead of dumping when it breaks.

[dennis]

Harder? They usually come out just as easy as the normal washers, if you know how.

[Tim Watts]

I like badge names that haven't featured heavily or recently in recall lists. I like my appliances to not catch fire.

The lists are easy to find and the frequency one or two well known names are on those does not inspire confidence.

[Theo]

I 'support' a fleet of Miele (aka a kitchen full). They're mostly 34, apart from the fridge which is an Electrolux and is 41. Last time I contacted Miele, many parts were still available.

We'll have to wait until 2060 to see if the current product lines will live up to the same standard.

(I suspect not as they're full of electronics - my lot have not much more than mechanical cam-based timeswitches)

Theo

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Miele? Dunno about fixing it as it's not gone wrong in 15 years.

[Steve Walker]

It does that, but sometimes, not every time, the wet washing clings to the side and doesn't even out.

SteveW

[Steve Walker]

It doesn't rock. It is simply wet clothes ocassionally sticking to one side and not evening out prior to the spin cycle starting. The acceleration of the out of balance mass is enough to really make the machine jump.

SteveW

[The Natural Philosopher]

T I m is a tosser.

Of course its not a damper or shock absorber.

Its lumps of concrete.

[2987fr]

Its more complicated than that with Bosch and Miele.

Nothing shit about my Bosch dishwasher.

[tabbypurr]

The only lists I saw were American. LG, Maytag & Whirlpoo seem to feature a lot.

NT

[alan_m]

Maybe to be replaced soon with a tank full of water. This could make transport of the empty tank machine easier or cheaper.

[tabbypurr]

The block experiences some major forces - it would have to be an impressively robust tank to avoid floods. Sand would be a better bet imho.

NT

[alan_m]

My carrier bags were never single use. I used them for rubbish bin liners, especially in the kitchen and bathroom. People are now buying more bin liners to compensate. My local council provides starch based bio-degradable bags for food waste but as I compost much of my waste I now use these as bin liners.

I listened to a report recently on the thicker plastic bag for life. The "break even" point for thicker bags is at least 150 usages - compared to the one use thinner bags. The report suggested that the thicker bags are not reused this number of times.

As an early convert to Lidl/Aldi shopping methods I have used the smaller laundry bags for my shopping. They are about the same size (height x width) as a carrier bag but hold around twice as much. They last for around 5 years before showing signs of failing stitching or plastic degradation.

Caution: Some ebay sellers of these products list small, medium and large but often the small size is NOT the "carrier bag" size but the next size up.

[Bob Eager]

I've used the same bags for years, although I did replace one recently. Strong cloth ones, nice and big - 1 pound. Insulated version, a little more.

I got them in Iceland; they don't always have them, but I pop in there sometimes anyway.

[alan_m]

How can anyone tell what appliance is going to last longer than another? You cannot rely on historical data as possibly all the machines in the current market place have been redesigned in the past few years to support more up-to-date electronics and/or more automated manufacturing processes and/or to reduce costs.

[alan_m]

But you also have to research what other brands are build in the same factories or owned by the same holding company and are likely to have similar or identical parts.

Even well known brands sub-contract some of their production out to third parties so effectively are badging no-name machines.

Some well known brand names of the past are now owned by retail outlets and are solely used to badge any boxes they buy worldwide.

[Tim+]

It?s been done, but I would expect that to compromise some other part of the machine?s design. Water isn?t as dense so it will either need a bigger tank (and consequently a smaller drum) or just be less effective at damping.

Tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

It doesnt do any damping.

It just does two things. Lowers the resonant frequency to a lower value and makes the weifht of the load ;ess significantt with respect to the drum weight.

[Tim Watts]

The whole thing is utter bullshit of the highest order.

If "they" gave a crap about the environment, "they'd" stock paper bags including paper carrier bags like american shops give out.

Cost to produce is slightly higher in energy terms, but:

1) It is easily recyclable;

2) It can be used a firelighters;

3) It does not choke wildlife to death and quickly and completely degrades if dropped.

In 1974 some shops used to charge 1p for a plastic bag. That's about 10p in today's money, so nothing's changed there.

Look at sweets:

Most in the 70s were wrapped in waxed paper. Now all plastic.

Bottles were often returnable for a deposit. Not now.

[Tim Watts]

Maybe, but if Brand X gets many recalls, I'm not buying Brand X, so I'm still at an advantage making at least that much of a decision.

[DerbyBorn]

alan_m [e-mail]> wrote in news:gcjpofF1br9U1 @mid.individual.net:

Spot on.