which new washing machine-to DIY instead of dumping when it breaks.

Vyatka Automat also sold as a Lemair.

There was also the 1950s VSP - nothing more tha an immersible vibrator.

"Now in stores is about 40 models (WS 510 SYW, Simplicity WA 610 SYW, ONE WS 623 W, WT 63110, W 6843 L / S, WT 63130, WS 512 SYB, WT 63090, and others). The cost of washing machines in the range 14.000-21.000 rubles (430-650 dollars).

NT

We keep the Miele wasshing machines for up to 10 years. Trouble free. And then sell them for up to £200 . SWMBO is fastidious. Runs the washing machine 3-4 time a week. The last non Miele, loong time ago, was a Hoover. Endless tyrouble over the first year.\Lesson learned

I scrapped a three year old bosch dishwasher after spending 200 on getting it fixed only for the same fault to reoccur

Never touch bosch again. YThey have gone the way of all whitegood 'brands' - downhill.

My Indesit is at least 11 years old. If it goes wrong I buy another. It is value for money - and Value Engineering.

Many people don't take the trouble to properly adkist the feet. They don't cance around if the feet are properly adjusted.

Steve - adjust the feet until it does not rock.

People get very hung up on Badge Names. The reality is of course that a washing machine is an assembly of parts from the Supply Chain. Even the design was possibly contracted out.

If you like it buy it.

All will be designed to survive for a reasonable period.

Mine continues to work fine and I got it for $50 at a garage sale from someone who had rebuilt their kitchen and sold it because it didn?t match the new cupboards etc.

Mine hasn?t.

'Some tubs' possibly. The one I took apart recently certainly didn't as I disconnected the dampers from the chassis and the tub stayed in the same place.

And / or concrete to some degree.

In fact I would suggest *most* of the damping was done by the concrete and a bit more was supplied by the dampers, along with some alignment.

The springs support the mass whilst the damping keeps the tub from hitting the inside of the cabinet.

If they are little I doubt they can do much to hold a tub and load in place against an unbalanced spin buildup.

The springs I took out of the last WM I took to bits were the size of those springs you see on garden gate self closer's (mind you, it was a pretty old machine). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I remember there being several models and I don't remember the 'Basic' machine being *that* much more expensive than any std machine? Can you remember the brand OOI (I think it was 3 letters)?

I can't say I've had that many dealings with DW's to comment. We have had a couple and I think the first one just rusted away (but was still running etc).

Still?

Fully retro. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

DerbyBorn snipped-for-privacy@Nearhome.com wrote

Not all of them are.

Not all of them are that either.

Doesn?t say anything useful about how often it will need to be repaired or the cost of the parts.

Its more complicated than that.

= the two year guarantee period.

Then the cost of fixing will exceed the cost of a new machine.

When the repair man came to try (and fail) and fix the Bosch dishwasher, it had a pump assembly from an italian company. He said there were only three European manufacturers of the pump assemblies. Going into a dozen brand names....

And all of them were s*it.

That was them (asked elsewhere), thanks. ;-)

Shame.

The thing is we (present company accepted etc) don't know what we want until we are told what the cost is of having what we want is. Like, we all thought that free carrier bags were a good idea until we started being affected by them. Unfortunately we still thought they were a good idea until we were asked to pay for them.

However, I still see people coming out of the supermarkets with a trolley full of brand new single use (for them especially) carrier bags and I guess they would also be the same people who would replace their (perfectly functional) kitchen, washing machine or car, just to stay on trend.

Now in the case of cars, that generally means they will have taken the biggest depreciation hit and so others who don't have (or want) to spend that sort of cash can get something at better VFM. Whilst the same can apply to the likes of kitchen cupboards and whitegoods, I'm not sure how often it would with 'that sort of person' (them all going in a skip rather than on Freecycle or even Gumtree eBay etc).

Cheers, T i m

Yes there are certainly variants. The concrete makes a huge difference to drum movement - a machine run without one is quite out of control. Technically the concrete doesn't damp it.

NT

ISE. They had 2 models at £450 and £800. I vaguely remember the cheaper one not being as attractive repair-wise. Getting one would mean gambling on ISE remaining in production for many decades & not changing their spares prices. And having way longer practical life. One can buy a used machine for 50-100 that should manage 5-10 years so I wasn't convinced. At £10 per year that ISE would need to last 45 years with NO repairs just to break even.

Haven't bought any in a while. AFAIK the state is still majorly into manufacturing, so it would make sense to continue the policy of repairability.

Australia imports Vyatkas, they're a modern design.

NT

As a neighbour found out recently when the concrete 'ring' round the front broke up and (partially) fell out. ;-(

Anything that resists any oscillation can be considered a damper.

Worse things are "built in" versions.

Limited choice. Harder to access for maintenance - and why? What is so objectionable about a washer that needs it to be hidden.

However, I do think it daft that many houses have a boiler on the kitchen wall. No benefit and it takes up useful space.

An interesting change of use. It is a loss of a word to describe absorbing energy rather than changing resonant frequency though.