When we are all EV drivers

[charles]

why would R&S help a rival?

[williamwright]

If it's once per year it's reason enough to not have an EV.

That a stupid argument because it's never been the case that you'd use your car to drive across the Atlantic. We're talking here about a worsening of the convenience that a car provides.

Bill

[williamwright]

It won't be up to the power company. All the companies will be the same because they will have to do as they are told.

No the best idea is to not have a 'finite' (you mean inadequate) power supply.

Bill

[Tim+]

Absolutely. It makes total sense to always be ready for a once per year event. Driving a carbon fuelled, air polluting vehicle at great expense for the other 364 days of the year is a price so worth paying.

People never like change. No surprise given the average age of USENET users that folk here are so negative.

Tim

[Tim+]

Yep, infinite energy for all is just around the corner. Or, you can get real.

Tim

[Richard]

Sigh. Now we have the newly converted evangelists of EV. "driving a carbon fuelled,air polluting..". FFS, now drivers of ICE vehicles are the new antichrist.

You need some spaces in there..

[John Brown]

Tim+ [e-mail] wrote

And even a few times a year.

EVs are air polluting too.

It isn't at great expense when you consider the cost of the EV.

Plenty do like change when it provides a significant improvement. That?s why mobile phones are so successful.

No surprise given the average age of USENET

And yet they all use decent electronic communication instead of snail mail and the vast bulk of them use mobile phones and computers as well.

[Tim Streater]

Ah. So a bit like Lebanon is today, then. A definite advance.

[Dave Plowman (News]

If you provided every house in the street with a charging point at the same time, the price would come tumbling down. But not including the costs of upgrading the feed in the street, etc.

[Dave Plowman (News]

Logic was never your strong point, Bill. If that were the case we'd all drive trucks. For the odd occasion when we need one.

Perish the thought that anything should inconvenience you.

[williamwright]

So you don't insure your house?

Generalising about people by age? Would you generalise about them by race? Do you shout 'Coffin Dodger!" at old people in the street? Ageism is worse than racism.

Bill

[williamwright]

Anyone would think that the end-to-end CO2 audit of EVs is zero. Seen the latest from Volvo?

Bill

[williamwright]

I was going to get an EV but the figures just didn't stack up. No was could I waste that much money.

Bill

[williamwright]

He's just got nasty ageist prejudices. Fascist.

Bill

[williamwright]

We don't need infinite, we merely need adequate. For a believer in the windmills to say 'you can get real' is hilarious.

Bill

[Andy Burns]

In what way is that not a real part of the cost?

[nightjar]

Which would be substantial in my street, where the lines would need to be undergrounded to provide the capacity.

[Dave Plowman (News]

Because that will already have been upgraded for when we all heat our houses and hot water by electricity?

[Paul]

A windmill bank would be a better electrical citizen, if it had its own battery bank. As that would smooth out the dynamic power delivery from them.

But I doubt that will become a feature, any time soon.

You can't put too many windmills on the grid directly, as it may affect the dynamic stability of the grid. That could be why there are limits as to how many windmills (what percentage of production), may come from windmills.

Even if the battery bank is placed elsewhere in the network (like the Tesla bank in Australia), such banks can be used to partially correct what the windmills are doing to the grid. They could make phase corrections faster than altering the angle of prime movers elsewhere.

You could also have a completely separate power grid for the BEVs. Windmills on one end. BEVs on the other. The BEV does not need a smooth steady supply. It is, after all, just a battery, and it could be charged with pulses of energy, just as easily as with a steady supply. But I doubt the characteristics of such a design, are all that attractive to planners. The idea wouldn't stand much scrutiny.

Paul

[Paul]

This is what a lack of planning buys you.

We have the same problem here. Nobody wants to borrow money to build more nukes, and the government won't touch that file. Previous governments would not, either. It's a "let us kick this can down the road" thing. That's why I predict the car computer will be used for such dystopian purpose. It's just too obvious a solution to ignore. Putting Coldplay on the stereo, is just gravy in such a world :-)

I don't know why they put a computer in the car, but "golly, is that convenient or what". Yes, it is altogether too convenient.

Paul