Russian Revolutionary Hybrid car

Nah, that ended after the last moon landing.

Tim

Or employ a bulbous bow?

So, like Dennis you are claiming that. Car that only has a driver has no passengers? Or are you clutching at straws?

Well there is your opportunity to go and complain to the web site where I got the figures, assuming its not you that's wrong.

So you are a lying f****it that doesn't just count the passengers like everyone else does in *passenger* miles per gallon.

Liar.

In most car journeys the driver is the passenger unlike airliners, ships, trains and buses which have crew and sometimes passengers. In general a passenger wants to go to the destination to do something while the crew just want to go there to enable the passenger to go there. Now do you really want to argue that passengers and crew are the same thing f****it?

Of course he does.

A cruise liner has far more crew than a basic ship designed just to move passengers. Unless you think dancers and so on have a essential function?

Turn that 747 into first class only would have a drastic effect on its fuel consumption per passenger mile too.

Yes... although I suppose people felt the same way when the empire class flying boats vanished, too.

I don't know if I'm getting old, or if there are just less and less impressive things going on in the world :-)

cheers

Jules

Many years ago I wrote a piece for our church newsletter commenting that my dad was born before the Wright brothers first flew and died having seeing Concorde and men on the moon, whilst in my lifetime the A380 is (with apologies to aero engineers) conceptually not that different to the Comet which first flew before I was born.

What had changed, I noted, was that things which were available only to a select few are now the mainstream experience. In primary school, only a few of my classmates came from families with cars, not everyone had a TV, central heating was still rather exotic. Now (to exaggerate slightly) everyone (in the western world anyway) has everything - even those classed as living in poverty have colour TVs and mobile phones.

Sit ship passengers in rows and isles for the journey and you will be able to fit in more passengers. However you will make the passenger mpg worse as nobody is going on an Atlantic crossing like that for 5 days.

And which web site was that? As usual with you, you havent quoted your source, because as usual the only place it exists is inside your head.

No Dennis. I see that as usual reading and understanding ate beyond you. Mpg figures for cars always include the crew (driver). Otherwise the vast majority of cars would be classed as achieving zero miles per passenger gallon, given the average car occupancy of 1.6 including the driver.

Do you want to compare ship (passengers only) to car (passengers only, excluding the driver)?

You're the one posting their Dennis. Your claim that the ship has about

Mmm, no, I'd include the driver in a car (because he's a passenger too unless its a taxi), but not in other modes of transport. Course, for most purposes it doesn't matter too much (bus driver + 50 passengers, say, or place crew + 300) but passenger ships seem to require large crews for some reason. Do they have reserve sets of galley slaves?

There are less and less impressive things going on in the world. Instead of proper rugby we have this professional charade now, and 9 billyun for the Olympics so a bunch of nonentities can get further up their own arses.

The days of the true passenger ship in the west has gone - excepting things like ferries. Current ones are more floating holiday resorts.

You are Count Arthur Strong AICMFP.

The actual operation of the vessel is done by at most a few dozen crew. The vast majority of the crew on cruise ships are doing the same jobs as they would be doing in a hotel which had a night club and restaurant. Things like washing laundry, serving at table, cooking, singing, dancing, telling jokes...

We just have the superbowl over here - so I win. :P

All knobs

The QE2 is an old ship. The new ships are far more efficient.