reasonable integrated dishwasher?

Excuse my ignorance but what does 'fully integrated' mean in a dishwasher?

Jonathan

Another term for "Built in" I think...

We'll be going away from built-in when we get our kitchen redone. That way we can get a door-front control panel instead of the nothing ones along the door edge. So you get to see the progress of the cycle and don't have to guess whether it's done or not.

In message , at 18:23:14 on Tue, 5 Aug 2014, Tim Streater remarked:

My built-in one beeps when it's done.

In message , at

Probably, that it requires you to add a door to the front to match the rest of your kitchen.

It means you slap a matching front to the rest of your kitchen units on it

So no front mounted controls etc.

Hence the utter bewilderment so common when you are in a kitchen other than your own and have barely any hint as to what is behind each door. DW? Fridge? Cupboard? Blank to cover something up? Waste bin? Where the hell is the freezer?

I suppose gargantuan over-sized US-type fridges do at least make themselves fairly obvious... :-)

Siemens/Bosch/Neff; we've had one for nearly 12 years now and in that time it has only required a pressure chamber. Very quiet in operation and performance is great. I can't speak for the newer models though!

OK - so does ours, and normally we run it overnight so it's not an issue, but during the day we're typically gonna be elsewhere.

Our dirt cheap integrated Beko has performed faultlessly for several years now. I'm not at all convinced that more expensive lasts (pro rata) longer in kitchen equipment.

Not the wife I'ed imagine.... Brian

Well who invited you anyway? ;-)

Gross and vulgar items.

The real class is the walk-in freezer-larder

But perhaos it catches fire less often :)

Where I used to live, two local supermarkets had chilled areas - where half an aisle or so had flappy curtains at each end and a damned powerful cooler. Customers really did have to walk through them to get their butter, cheese and milk. One closed, the other got totally refurbed - so neither existed even before I left the area.

Our strategy has been to go mid-range for WM/DW for the last 20 years or so; typically Bosch, and it seems to have worked OK.

Our bog-standard Bosch (free-standing) was bought in 1996 and is still going strong. One of the wheels supporting the upper tray broke a couple of years ago - two replacements cost well under a tenner.

Siemens, Bosch and Neff are essentially the same, no? That's what I recall anyway and

They're not all a grand.

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Sorry, my answer to what appliance questions is always Miele.

There are about 4-5 actual appliance manufacturers.

The Neffs, Beko and the Indesit lot which is whirlpool and hotpoint etc etc.

And Miele

MM. It may be worth listing these.

INDESIT: (Mainly Italian) Indesit Hotpoint-Ariston Scholtès Stinol Elco Termogamma

NEFF (Mainly German) Bosch Siemens Pitsos Neff Gaggenau.

ARCELIK (Mainly Turkish) Arçelik Beko Grundig (purchased by Koç Holding which owns Arçelik A.?.)[16] Defy (purchased in July 2011)[17] Altus Blomberg Arctic Elektra Bregenz Leisure Flavel

GLEN DIMPLEX (Anglo Irish) Belling Valor Faber Galaxy Showers Burco Catering Equipment Creda Dimplex ewt Glen Carmen Personal Care Goblin LEC Refrigeration Morphy Richards New World (cooking appliance brand) NOBØ Redring Roberts Radio Stoves Xpelair

MIELE (German) Miele.

Feel free to add any more.