Pondering pump priming

Jul 12, 2025 Last reply: 1 year ago 6 Replies

Suppose I have a sump where water collects, and I want to pump this water out. The usual way is to immerse a pump in the sump with a float switch. When the float switch closes, the pump runs until it opens again. Simple.



But let's say I have a number of sumps, and I don't want to put a pump in each one. I can still fit the float switch to detect a full sump, to trigger a remote pump.



One scenario is I have one remote pump per sump, and the pump is connected directly to the sump inlet.



Another scenario is I have a single pump and some kind of valve gear to select which sump to drain based on the float switch status.



Is there a kind of pump that will work in these cases? In a regular sump pump, the float switch is arranged so that the inlet to the pump is full of water and so the pump doesn't need priming. But in the remote setup it's quite possible the tube from the sump to the pump contains air, and we want a pump that will suck out the air from the tube before the water will flow (the tube can be flexible if it helps).



Is this some kind of 'self priming' pump, or how would this be described?



The specific application I was thinking of was the condensate drains for air conditioners - typically they're mounted on the wall, and if it's not an external wall then you need to run the condensate drain up into the ceiling. 'Condensate pumps' exist, but they seem quite awkward to fit inside each unit and it would be easier and quieter to put a remote pump somewhere far away. The problem here is that the whole point is to pump each sump dry, so there will be air in the system regularly.



What kind of valve gear would be suitable for the one-pump-many-inputs scenario? Is there something that could automatically cut off inputs that have too much of a pressure drop (ie are pulling air not water)?



Or is this not going to work?



Thanks Theo


Probably as a self priming pump? I think these are used for pumping water in caravans or motor homes.

There appears to be several devices available for this application e.g.

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Surely when pulling air the pressure drop is less? All the condensate pumps I found use a water detection tank to switch the pump. These tanks don't seem much smaller than the smallest pumps..

I don't think this is going to work as you envisage. The problem would be balancing it, so what happens if two units are running and both want the pump...

.. valves are available...

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Dave

I can't see the point in a separate tank and pump if the pump needs to be below the tank. I see this one :-

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"maximum suction raised: approx. 2 meters/6.6 feet"

in fact the normal type , like the one I have for my boiler , must be self-priming. The pump sits above the water and runs when the float operates the switch, so it must suck the water out of the sump.

My thoughts

Dave

Different animal. Submersible pump usually needs to be under water to work, and so does not need priming. Such pumps usually don't like to be run dry.

A self-priming pump sits above water-level and sucks the water up, so it needs to be able to run dry. Often used in caravans where you have a "water barrel" you fill at a tap, bring back to the caravan, drop a pipe in and the pump sucks it up into the caravan..

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Dave

The external pump I used with my caravan wasn't self priming. The pump was on the end of a pipe which was submerged in the water carrier (Aquaroll) and sat on the botton. So fully submerged when turned on.

Cheers

Dave R

I've only had pump priming as an issue in another field, pumping ink around an industrial ink-jet printer, using electrically driven diaphragm pumps. New pumps would usually prime easily, but they would get less happy as they got older. They had to lift only about half a metre. I assume a slightly leaky valve is a lot more significant when pumping gas than liquid, and of course a pump that doesn't have an absolute seal and relies on liquid not flowing very fast through narrow gaps will not be so good pumping gas.

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