Parking Charge

Well, quite. It's not unreasonable that the parking operator has to be able to check if the fee has been paid. And a ticket system like this would mean having to be able to read the ticket. Most of them are actually meant to be stuck to the screen. But in clear view on the dash would be OK too.

I disagree. It was widely held that they were not enforceable in law, but it something that the parking companies had avoided testing in Court.

The judgement shows that, but it was far from clear prior to the Supreme Court decision. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary to take it that far.

One of my neighbours is disputing a fine or fifty. They have had a no cars restriction on a road in the town centre for a few years. People ignore the signs and drive through the pedestrian area. So a few weeks ago the council installed cameras.

For the first two weeks or so they sent offenders a warning letter.

One or more was sent to my neighbour. She now has a load of you committed an offence letters as she has been ignoring it every day.

Why do some people think they are above the law?

as some American woman said "The law is only for little people"

"Taxes". Not "The law..."

but they were wrong to hold that belief

The SC ruling didn't change the law, it told all those who thought it was unenforceable, that they were wrong.

No they didn't, they took lots of people to court and won,

they could only take it further (to a point where it set a precedence) when some idiot decided to appeal, up till then no-one had the balls (funding) to do so

but you can't take a case like this to the SC, just for fun. You have to have a real defendant

It might be the first time *he* said it directly but he did say in his first post he put it on the dashboard and also added "I took my pay & display ticket to the 'operator' he advised it was not correct way up on the dash, therefore I had not displayed a valid ticket."

So, 'on the dash', 'not the correct way up' ... ?

Cheers, T i m

Sorry if you missed it but to be clear .. it was face down on the dash ... which I had originally referred to as upside down. Upside down to me means the face of the ticket was towards the dash. The opposite of right way up.

However words can be misunderstood - so hope this is now clear ....

Do wondering why you are querying the parking ticket, then. If the attendant can't see it's a valid one, it's rather obvious you are going to get a penalty of some sort. As to him it is no different to no ticket at all.

Face down would have been clearer.

Or an appropriately sized piece of paper blank on both sides :-)

I can see one scenario where he might have a case. A timed and dated ticket that included the car registration in full.

I've never seen one of those. If the system has number plate recognition cameras, no need for a paper ticket.

The real tickets aren't often blank on the back are they ... all the T's and C's and instructions on how to 'Affix it inside the windscreen' etc (for the ones with the sickly label on the back).

I think they generally state that it's the obligation of the driver to ensure a valid ticket is clearly displayed and like putting up upside down on the dash, not noticing that it had blown onto the floor / whatever would be counted as a 'no ticket'. And don't we all generally check the ticket as we close the last door / walk away to ensure it's still there? (I also double check the time so I don't leave it too late to get back, in case I got the cost / hour wrong etc).

Cheers, T i m

The other scenario is when the attendant is spotted checking on the ticket and can be shown that it is valid, although not visible to him from outside.

You sometimes have to type it in, but I don't know if the machine keeps a record.

Most people using disabled badges for parking are not disabled!

Being a good citizen is accepting that you have no more rights than the rest of the population and therefore there is no need for parent & child bays.

Taking lessons from the bankers - another billion set aside for fraudulent transactions but still no-one jailed.

Well, I'd go for 'many' and it can be difficult to gauge someone's disability. Like, I've seen people parking in a disabled bay and walking away perfectly normally but they may be only able to walk 50 yards before needing to sit down for 10 minutes?

Again, part of that is accepting that some people drive like knobs and small children might not be as aware of such as us?

Also, it may be seen to be more like 'making the process' equally easy for all of us, eg a fit solo person, a parent with young children or someone with mobility issues?

As always, all such things are generally considered 'fair and reasonable' by the majority and (as usual) it's only the minority who feel they are better than the rest who spoil it.

Cheers, T i m

I have seen them. Bloody nuisance because you have to type the entire registration in at the machine.