OT: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?

Yip, another con. I bought a brand new HP colour laser for my work (last HP I ever bought, changed to Brother after that) which cost half the price of the replacement toners. Turns out they were only a quarter full. Goodbye HP.

ROTFPMSL! I turned down a free HP printer and bought a new Epson.

That's criminal and I don't put up with it. I buy my ink in 1 litre bottles, equating to $0.15 a cartridge.

Except film cameras used any film. You could have put Fuji film in the Kodak camera.

ROTFPMSL! I turned down a free HP printer and bought a new Epson.

That's criminal and I don't put up with it. I buy my ink in 1 litre bottles, equating to $0.15 a cartridge.

Except film cameras used any film. You could have put Fuji film in the Kodak camera.

Nothing by HP works, ever. It's like buying a Lada.

And lasers don't clog, and the ink doesn't run if it gets wet. I'll get a colour laser next time.

Nothing by HP works, ever. It's like buying a Lada.

And lasers don't clog, and the ink doesn't run if it gets wet. I'll get a colour laser next time.

But.... why not just sell me the same model again? I'm not stupid enough to think something with a different number on the front and a slightly more rounded case will last longer. If it breaks, I buy from a different manufacturer.

But.... why not just sell me the same model again? I'm not stupid enough to think something with a different number on the front and a slightly more rounded case will last longer. If it breaks, I buy from a different manufacturer.

If I ever need a new printer it would probably be an Epson.

Old HP printers allowed for refilling cartridges then they made access difficult if not impossible. I could buy re-inked cartridges for a while then HP put a chip in the cartridge not allowing them to work.

a whole lot of people say otherwise

those work too.

You bought an inkjet? No wonder you got problems.

Kodak had about a 60 year run starting with the first Brownie in 1900 before Fuji found their way off the island.

There were plenty of other film manufacturers back in the day. Ilford Agfa Konica...

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The point is that they were all made to common standards, there was little attempt to make film and cameras exclusive apart from polaroid

kodak did their best. The original Brownie was 117 and the Brownie 2 was

I remember Ansco which was an Agfa subsidiary in the US but I'd never heard of Ilford. The Japanese films didn't get much penetration until after the war.

I never was much of a person for taking pictures then or now so I'm not talking about what was available for the serious photographers, just what you'd find in the drug store for your Brownie. In the US Kodak owned the consumer camera market and the film market up until the '60s.

More serious photographers went Rolleiflex until the 35mm's started to get popular in the '60s.

"As late as 1976, Kodak commanded 90% of film sales and 85% of camera sales in the U.S."

Then Fuji ate their lunch. They both saw digital cameras coming but Fuji made better choices.

I agree that is why I've been using the same HP machines wit refilled toner and inks for many many years now. I think if you do not make a new product, you will not sell any printers. However I do not see the need to change the consumable designs at all, since in the end people will always need that. I also abhor the 1/3rd full ink or toner in carts sold with printers attitude. Put the price up and sell it with a full system. Brian

Cheap lasers fail too.

The trick with any inkjet is to use it regularly. A test print if nothing else, say at least every couple of weeks.

And modern inks ain't water soluble. Older ones were.

Yip, another con. I bought a brand new HP colour laser for my work (last HP I ever bought, changed to Brother after that) which cost half the price of the replacement toners. Turns out they were only a quarter full. Goodbye HP.

I buy a printer when I need a printer. I don't see why making it cosmetically different would make me buy one when I already have one. In fact changing iso I can't use my existing cartridges means I go off that manufacturer for ever.

Don't take this the wrong way, but why would a blind man need a printer?

All lasers fail. But their average reliability far outstrips inkjets.

that helps some, but they're still way more hassle than they're worth.

There have long been 2 types in use, thermal & piezo. Thermal use water soluble, piezo doesn't. Not surprisingly piezo costs more.

NT

That may be so. But mine failed not long after buying an expensive cart. The first replacement it had. And not much used.

Like for like, they tend to give better results than a laser.

I buy mine off Ebay. Fraction of the price of genuine. And they don't run in the wet.