OT: Speeding yobs!

[Mary Fisher]

Don't be ridiculous.

Mary

[G&M]

I'm being deadly serious. It is a major cost to my company - and countless others. In the past a salesman could do 'n' visits a day - now it's often 'n-2' or even less.

[Jerry.]

No, what you are being expected to do is 'n+2' [1], all that raising the speed will bring is companies expecting their reps to visit 'n+4' once you are achieving the current target of 'n+2', that will mean that you try to travel even faster. The problem is, although vehicle technology has improved, thus allowing vehicles to travel faster, handle better and slow faster the squeegee thing called the human brain (that can so often get damaged more than the vehicle it is travelling in) has not evolved much in the last 100 plus years - the weak link is the same as it has always been...

[1] were 'n' = realistic target number of visits for the area.

[Mary Fisher]

Then the time allowance is faulty. Speed limits and possible hold-ups shouild be built in.

Mary

[G&M]

Now who's being ridiculous. Salesmen are on commission - they have to get to customers to sell. Councils throwing up 20 and 50 limits where the limits should be 30 and 60 add to the constant battle salesmen have to keep to targets. Show me a salesman who's not on 9 points and I'll show you a no-hoper.

[Mary Fisher]

I suggest you get a job on the traffic committee of your council - or stand for election as a councillor. There's no point in complaining on here, if something upsets you - or you think you know better than people who do things - then you have to do something about it. Directly.

Whining on here will have absolutely no effect.

Mary

[Jerry.]

Sounds like you either need a better job, were the basic salary is enough for you and your family to live on, or you need to reduce your expectations - one thing is for sure, speed limits are not going to be raised anytime soon I suspect.

[Dave Liquorice]

Which has more value, 2 extra sales or a life?

I'm *really* being deadly serious, not just fannying about after some poxy bottom line.

Then you are screwing your salesmen by not paying them a decent wage to start with. Commission based wages tend to lead to the worst excesses of sales techniques, your not a Double Glazing firm are you?

I'll show you one who is out of job next time he gets caught.

[Arfur Biscui]

No good, mate. You've tapped into the merry little sub-group of self-righteous wankers in this thread.

[G&M]

I do appear to have. Pity really as most people here seem sensible.

But for the record I'm not a salesman nor do I manage salesmen. But what I do see if constant harassment of professional drivers by the authorities who seem to want to bring things back to the man with a flag in front of the car days. And standing for one of those authorities would be a total waste of time - they are dominated by people who've never even had a proper job in the commercial world and seem to regard business as a dirty word.

Yes, accidents happen. And people get hurt and killed. Nobody likes this. But only around 20% of accidents are due to excessive speed, and a large proportion of those are due to young idiots in their own or stolen cars. The quickest way to reduce accidents would be for everybody to re-take a proper driving test every few years - this would soon get rid of those who can't even control a car at 30 let alone the 130mph or more that German drivers happily manage on their roads.

[G&M]

First it isn't me. But secondly those same people happily managed your n+2 or even more ten years ago when the police allowed sensible speeding and prosecuted bad driving. Nowadays you can drive as poorly as you want provided you don't exceed about 33 mph.

[me]

Germany has very few sections of the Autobahn left that are unrestricted. They also have an advisory limit of 130kmh above which you are automatically at fault and your insurance is voided in the event that you crash.

Finally though German drivers are used to high speed driving, UK drivers are not. The mayhem that would be caused by thousands of UK drivers who suddenly have no speed limit but also have no understanding of how to behave and drive when doing 100mph plus is alarming to say the least.

There is some argument to increasing the limit to 80, there are lots of very good arguments to reducing the limit to 20 in residential areas but there are no good arguments to remove the limit on the motorway.

Andy

[Tony Bryer]

That's too cynical IMO. If you are on a traffic committee then raising a speed limit from 30 to 40 will cause an outcry from the people who live in the road, whilst those who actually use it don't give you one nod of thanks. Furthermore you know that it will be just your luck that the week after the limit is raised a pedestrian will be knocked over and killed, which the . local paper will report as "War hero killed after speed limit raised", not "Drunken tearaway kills old man whilst driving at twice the speed limit"

[G&M]

Show me a road that's had it's limit raised in the last five years. The lunatics are well and truly running the traffic planning asylum.

[G&M]

That's simply not true. What you have to do is prove you were in the right if there is an accident whereas below this speed they have to prove you were in the wrong. Not the same thing. A friend in Frankfurt regularly drives into work at 220 kph, in fact if he doesn't reach this speed he's in a foul mood all day.

Agreed - it would have to be done in steps. And as I've said before, we need far stricter driving test anyway to weed out those incapable of driving even at the current limits.

Sorry - can't agree. Apart from around schools there are no valid reasons for 20 limits. Roads are not playgrounds.

[Jerry.]

Your point being ?....

The

The only lunatics are people like you.

[Jerry.]

unrestricted.

That says it all, sounds like he should be the last person on earth allowed to ride a push bike let alone drive a car....

Well that would count you out as you seem to be saying that you can't drive and / or obey the current rules !

So don't play racing drivers on them then ! You drive because you have been given a privilege to do so (that is what the driving licence is), pedestrians use the roads and pavement because they have a RIGHT to use them. A kid knocked down is a kid knocked down, and at

30mph they stand less of a chance of surviving the accident, it doesn't matter were it happens it still a injured child who might DIE.

Have you ever seen the consequences of a child being hit by a car - even at

20mph?

Do yourself a favour, grow the f*ck up before you either kill yourself or someone else - possibly an innocent child.

[G&M]

Oh don't talk such utter crap. The road is good enough for that speed, the car is good enough for that speed and the driver is good enough for that speed. Fortunately one country does have sensible rules of the road.

I am not. My entry into this conversation referred to salesmen and other professional drivers who need to cover huge distances. Myself I do less than 7000 miles per year and have had a clean licence for many years. But I do appreciate that there are people for whom the limits are far too low, something you appear to have difficulty getting your thick skull around.

As I've said before, I don't need to drive round fast, hence the above is highly unlikely.

[Mary Fisher]

In that case, why do speeding yobs treat roads as playgrounds?

Don't bother answering that, your posts are irrational at worst, childish at best.

Mary

[Huge]

Actually, you can quite safely ignore the "arguments" (they haven't actually got any, of course) of those who use the "what about the childr-u-u-u-u-u-n" tack. Unless the froth actually lands on you, in which case I recommend punching their lights out.

(Now you know why I killfile all " [e-mail]" postings.)