OT Opinions?

[whisky-dave]

Maybe they prefer to wait and get people via workfare or less than legals to do the jobs.

[whisky-dave]

yeah and there's 13 in your dozens makes math really difficult ;-)

[Jethro_uk]

in working, is travel costs, since they are something an unemployed person doesn't have. It is simply a no brainer for someone to refuse a job, if after paying to travel to and from work, they are worse off. And that is *before* you address things like the dire provision of public transport in cities (for the sake of work, there is no public transport in rural areas).

Gone are the days when you could walk/cycle a mile to the factory.

I'm not saying there aren't other elements at work, not that there aren't a bunch of workshy tossers out there. But expecting someone to have less money to spend because they work is a pretty stupid thing if you ask me. It's like asking megacorporations to voluntarily pay more tax.

[whisky-dave]

Well a friend that is working in socail services is working xmas morning an= d has a client about 4 miles away no public transport so either a cab there= and back or walk it, and being paid a stadard rate of about =A36.50 an hou= r (think it's double time over xmas) it's not exactly worth getting a cab. = So he walks it or the client doesn't get a visit. He's hoping the weather will be reasonale at best.

or even pay the tax they should be paying. :)

[ARW]

Well I would have given you a job.

[ARW]

That will be the one when I bought a toolbox at 7.30am and B&Q was empty. He was about 55 years old and he was cheerful and very unthug like. He still looked inside the toolbox that I had just bought and he checked my receipt, as he said "you and the till assistant could be working together in a scam - we have to consider all options".

[Part Timer]

I had the impression he was qualified.

[ARW]

Qualified enough for me to say that I would employ him if I could.

OK?

[Jules Richardson]

Yeah, I've had that one, too.

The sheds around here don't seem to bother with door apes most of the time, but once in a while one of them will have one for a couple of months and then they'll go away again.

[geoff]

In message , tim..... writes

Not proper bakery shitty hours

I once did Sun 6am to 6am mon 6pm to 6am tues 6pm to 6am wed 6pm to 6am thurs 6pm to 2am fri 6pm to 6am sat 6pm to 6am

That's a proper weeks work

[ARW]

I see an opening for a bit of overtime on the Thursday.

[geoff]

Obligatory short day agreed with the union

I got the grand total of £176 for that week IIRC

[Dave Liquorice]

Short day?

An another.

12 hours days nothing unusual about that in my line(*). Don't often do 7 days on the trot but 6 x 12 hour+ day weeks are not uncommon, particularly on the soaps or drama.

(*) Tommorow I'll be out the door about 1000 and back through it some where between 0200 and 0300.

[Scion]

geoff spake thus:

That 24hr shift on Sunday's a bit of a killer - especially after finishing your 12hr Saturday shift at the same time you start the Sunday :-)

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

I certainly hope not.

[tim.....]

without telling us when, how is that information useful?

for my first week's work I got £14.20 (though that was for only 40 hours)

tim

[The Other Mike]

Like bollocks it is, those are the hours of a slacker.

A proper weeks work is one where you start work in the dark, end in the dark, travel in the dark, can't even recall what hours you worked, what day it is, what time it is, what country it is, when you last had a proper meal, when you last slept in your own bed, and sometimes what you are supposed to be doing even though it's your name on every bit of paper.

Do that for endless months in extremes of temperature both hot and cold and on the appointed day be sat in a meeting you are chairing and you detect a sudden rise in temperature, a flushing of the skin and violent rumble in your guts such that you have to suddenly leave the room, arriving just in time at the bogs to projectile vomit your guts over the walls. Clean yourself up, walk back into the meeting as if nothing has happened, sign the relevant documents, then party till dawn surrounded by a group of nubile, highly intelligent tarts and then proceed to

It wasn't at a bakery and fortunately there were no unexpected buns in the oven.

It was also a *very* long time ago...

[Part Timer]

So not like most of the comedy apprentices?

[ARW]

I no longer employ apprentices - I sub for a firm that does.

I have had 5 apprentices. Only one made it. I fired one of them, one of them quit (after a week) and I made life so hard for the other two that they also left.

The one that could work and had brains was the one I kept.

[jgharston]

City & Guilds 236 Part I & II Electrical Installation with Distinction to 16th Edition in 1995, with 17 years experience installing from scratch and maintaining electrical installations in my own and my family's properties; which by today's jobs market means "unqualified", especially as I don't have newfangled things with names like "CCJ card" and "JAB certificate".

JGH