OT: Flu vaccine.

Diabetic I'd guess at 2 per day. Other conditions are available...

In other news - when I went onto my local doctor's website earlier there was a big splash screen because they've run out of 'flu vaccine and are cancelling all appointments.

Andy

had my booster

------------------- A guy on my bowling team is in his 70s. I told him: "Extending life spans more & more is a selfish decision at the expense of other critters, future generations, & the environment. It has consequences." He said: "Yeah, it has consequences: Ya live longer!" Then he asked me if I got the Covid shot. I said: "I wouldn't get that shot if you gave me a million bucks!" He said: "I wouldn't give you a million bucks!" lol

Birth control will never be enough. Gotta have Death control, too. Stop making flu, MMR, & Covid shots, to shorten the avg life span by a few years. Negative Population Growth, because we didn't listen to the scientists 50 years ago calling for ZPG. Nowhere else in Nature does a population keep increasing indefinitely without a crash! The Laws of Nature supersede & overrule the Human Laws!

Logan's Run, Hunger Games, but Soylent Green (set in 2022) had the answer.

I have just learnt the Covid Vaccination increases the risk of getting covid :-).

The Tenth Victim (1965) "Why control the births when we can increase the deaths?" There is a "Big Hunt" where people kill or be killed. In this "futuristic" film they have quaint mobile phones with rotary dials!

nah just cut back muslim birth rates and we will be fine...

You shouldn't make jokes like that. Someone might think you're serious.

What we need of course is a virus that causes sterility...

Andy

Consider Her Ways

It's not untrue. FWIW: the priority is to get back to normal, not to stop Covid infections. People sometimes fixate on the wrong statistic, but I don't think we should lie just because we believe they won't understand the truth.

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Good thing you're joking! It's necessary to be careful bout that, because some woodentops and rtolls really believe things like that!

I have "--> emphasised" some parts of the text, from this document:

Dynamic Causal Modelling, UCL, UK

The real-time estimate of the R-number is 0.80 (credible interval from

The 7-day average of daily deaths will decline slowly over the forthcoming weeks, reaching a minimum in December (of about 20 per day).

These predictions rest upon a prevalence?dependent unlocking. Contact rates should rise slowly over the next weeks. A return to 95% of pre pandemic contact rates is anticipated on 4 Dec 2021.

The prevalence of infection (over all age groups) should continue to decline until mid-December.

--> The basic reproduction number R0 is currently estimated to be 6.0.

--> This corresponds to an 37% increase in transmission risk, relative

--> to the average since 1 Feb 2020. This estimate includes seasonality

--> effects and will rise as winter approaches.

--> Current estimates of the vaccination efficacy are:

--> preventing infection: -9.5% (CI -14.2 to -4.9)

--> preventing transmission following infection 91.3% (CI 90.7 to 91.9))

--> preventing serious illness when symptomatic (age 15-34) 78.0% (CI

--> preventing serious illness when symptomatic (age 35-70) 51.9% (CI

--> preventing fatality when seriously ill 44.8% (CI 43.9 to 45.8)

--> A negative efficacy means vaccination increases risk. For example,

--> people who are vaccinated may expose themselves to more close

--> contacts than people who are not.

--> The corresponding cumulative (vaccinated vs. unvaccinated) risks are:

--> relative risk of infection 109.5%

--> relative risk of mild illness 50.0%

--> relative risk of severe illness 16.6%

--> relative risk of fatality 9.2%

For example, vaccination reduces the risk of being infected and subsequently developing a severe illness to 16.6% of the risk prior to vaccination

Not heard the news today? Birthrate in the UK is below replacement rate.

In 2019, 57 per cent of births in London, 50 per cent in Manchester and

The majority of births in towns across the east of England and East Midlands were also to foreign mothers."

Another reason to stem immigration?

Except, of course, if there is then no-one to look after you in your dotage.

--------- There's nothing "normal" about adding 80 million people a year,... that's another one billion every 12 years!

------------- The U.N. report from 2019 said we'll increase to 8 then 9 then 10 billion, and then level out. That's the projection. Is that the plan? What is the plan?

You can't take out immigration! In the Real World, everything is ALWAYS on the table, at ALL times! You can't take out other critters, too! We don't even know yet all that they do for us! The big picture is WAY more than Just Us, Right Now! It includes other critters, future generations, & the environment, 3 things that nobody is talking about!

Compared to the effects of continued population growth that's minor.

Maybe I'll have to pay a bit more for the nurses. Or I might even take a one-way holiday to Switzerland if I ever get to that stage.

If the population keeps growing we will eventually run out of everything. And I do mean everything, no exceptions.

Andy

On 15/10/2021 10:03, Chris Bacon wrote: > On 15/10/2021 07:34, Pancho wrote: >> It's not untrue. FWIW: the priority is to get back to normal, not to >> stop Covid infections. People sometimes fixate on the wrong statistic, >> but I don't think we should lie just because we believe they won't >> understand the truth. >>

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That's a very interesting cite, and I wonder if it's just a misprint. Chris's suggestion makes sense.

But when I went to look I found the slightly older

"Vaccine efficacy is generally reported as a relative risk reduction (RRR). It uses the relative risk (RR)?ie, the ratio of attack rates with and without a vaccine?which is expressed as 1?RR. Ranking by reported efficacy gives relative risk reductions of 95% for the Pfizer?BioNTech,

Certainly not negative.

Other papers seem to match The Lancet.

Andy

Have fun explaining how Hong Kong works.