OT: eggs going cheap in Sainburys !

Home baking my arse is to blame for putting on weight[1].

Too much alcohol sat in the sun in the back garden all day at the start of lockdown.

Are you sure that they are not going cheep and just about to hatch?

Thanks, you remind me.

I now have to cut the hedge, so I'll now chill a beer ready for when I finish. :)

Has anyone noticed the fancy 'craft brewed in Scotland' Innis and Gunn lager beer sold in Lidl, tastes exactly the same as Fosters?

Heard something on the TV a few weeks ago that a woman had managed to hatch some free-range duck eggs bought in her local supermarket. Probably wouldn't work with hens' eggs unless they were free range and the rooster had done his stuff, if there was a rooster.

And / or maybe Veganism is on the up (well, there is no maybe, it is [1]) and people have found they prefer to use something else or go without ... good opportunity etc?

I used to have two poached eggs on toast for lunch most days, till I stopped as part of 'Veganuary' and as an experiment to support our daughter (who has been a vegi for years now) and whilst I miss them like that, I'm happy to go without for the animal cruelty POV.

Given a wild, pre-exploited hen would only lay around 20 (max) eggs per year, 300 odd (I believe they have 'off' times) is way more than would be natural. This means they are typically slaughtered at 1 year old, not live for the 6 or so years they might have.

Of course 'most people' don't consider the animals for a second, I didn't that deeply for many years or preferred to assume the chickens were just doing what they normally might. ;-(

Then there are all the potential egg laying hens that have the misfortune to be born a male ...

Eating any commercially farmed egg means we are a part of this process ... and so why I chose not to be.

Cheers, T i m

Hmm. I've been getting used to Fosters recently as it's about the cheapest lager daughter can find (per case) when she goes shopping for us in light of the '4 for £1' lagers not being available.

Any idea how they might compare pricewise as we have a Lidl within a walk?

Cheers, T i m

michael adams

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The word craft when it comes to alcohol just means that it's any crap pretending to be an up market product. Very much like all the recent "craft" gins that have hit the market place which is just a re-branding of alco-pops without the fizz to appeal more to adults rather than children.

Lager is the the Devil's piss.

I think there could be an argument for co-existing with hens without any cruelty. Just a little theory - i tested it on a vegan friend having spent some time at my sister's - they have half a dozen or so that roam about the garden all day. While they seem quite happy to me, my friend wasn't convinced. But - he was so angry, he couldn't explain why, beyond 'it's obvious to anyone, surely?'

I'm not sure many people think that - they'll either block out or deny animal welfare issues, buy free range/organic and cross fingers, or exclude from diet.

Yup, I think many people choose to consider the whole dairy industry is quite benign in terms of animal welfare and environmental damage.

I'm now off milk - oat milk works in every situation I've tried. And apparently that can be home made quite easily - I'll try that soon.

Still on eggs though - see above ;-)

A few years ago, I was in Lidl looking at the lagers. They had cans of "Perlenbacher". Someone beside me picked up a set of 24 remarking " The good thing about German lager is you know exactly what's in it" I bought some, too, and on inspection found it was made in France. ;-)

If eggs start going cheep there is a chick inside! Brian

I did not know Barns laid eggs. Brian

So £3.99 for a 4 pack of 440ml 4.6% (£2.27/l) from Lidl.

I'll try a pack of the Lidl one though OOI. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Probably got grapes in it then? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Ok ...

That would be as near as I could think of them having a reasonably 'natural' life, that's for sure.

It's not to me but them the whole veganism thing is new to me.

People are warming to the idea (especially if it means sales). We dog-walked past an ice cream van on Friday and asked him if he stocked any vegan 'ice creams'. He said he didn't but had been asked for them before. I mentioned Magnum did a couple of versions and he said he'd see if they had a box at the wholesalers. We went there the day after he was going to the wholesalers and as we passed, I half jokingly asked him for 'Two vegan ice creams please' and he put two on the counter. ;-)

We have bought them a couple of times since and both times he mentioned he had sold them to others as well.

I think you are right mate. Daughter is hoping to put together an 'Introducing Veganism' thing at work, a bit of an info presentation (no real slaughterhouse / mistreatment gore) with a selection of vegan food / milks to try.

If that went down well she might do something that goes further with some short videos / slide presentations on screens that people can select and watch themselves.

I'm very sure that anyone might watch the 'Vegiburger' or 'Oat milk' or 'Quorn' ones but I wonder how many would watch the full industrial Cow, Pig, Sheep or Chicken flesh > burger / sausage / chop / nugget ones, especially with their kids?

Yes, that's what I was considering, maybe half a dozed once in a while sort of thing.

That's what we have done so far and apart from cheese, they are about the only things I actually miss. There are loads of things you can used as egg substituted in cooking / baking but I don't do any of that but there is a direct scrambled egg alternative that is apparently pretty good.

But it's not all about *direct* alternatives, it's just a matter of substituting that component (typically protein) in the meal we are now considering.

But talking of protein, apparently we can get as much (if not more / better) protein from veg than we can meat!

If you have Netflix, you might find this interesting (a sciency view on stuff):

And this more focused on the environment impact:

Oh, and Gladiators were mostly vegetarians: ;-)

Yup, no animals are killed (other than for veal) and that's as far as they go / care.

Yup. We typically (only) have that in hot drinks as it doesn't curdle like Soy can but we have Soy on cereal and when baking etc.

I've been making batches of 'Vegan Rock Cakes' and it seems I can't make them fast enough (enjoyed by vegans and non vegans alike). ;-)

Interesting, please let me know how you get on if you do.

Yeah. If I could find someone with half a dozen chickens living as you describe and eggs for sale I'd be tempted (I think someone here has such).

I think I'll do a Quorn / veg curry tonight and by 'do' I don't mean something that's fine cuisine, particularly healthy (other than no chemical filled meat), just quick, cheap, tasty and hurts no animals. ;-)

Quorn chicken chunks, mixed frozen veg, fresh onion and a tin of Chickpea Dhal (that isn't too hot for the Mrs).

Brown the onions and Quorn whilst boiling the veg. Once done, drain the veg and put the Quorn / onions in with the veg. Add the chickpea dhal and moisten with some soy milk to give the consistency you like and heat.

We sometimes use the microwave Palau rice (or boil our own basmati) and I can usually knock up a couple of vegan Naan at the same time. ;-)

Serve / enjoy. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Nope, but I just bought some more Formil Bio washing liquid. The shape of the container had changed since I last bought one, still £2.99 though. When I got home, the old one was 3 litres, the one bought today 2.2 litres !. That's hell of a shrinkage.

What does it say about the number of washes on the front of the bottle. I've noticed some of the smaller Lidl bottles do more washes than the larger bottles probbly indicating different dilutions. Its much like those giant packs of branded washing powder that are possible are just full of a filler material.

Just checked: printed on the pack "now more concentrated" and "50 washes" (The number of washes does depend on how hard the water and what you are washing)